From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F4DC3C108A; Thu, 2 Jul 2026 07:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1782978403; cv=none; b=sXTvFFSF0TaJsneyrsY7+aF0ojt3LHtH5+oF8ObLmFGGnMS///6JeW4OLN/auS1JYsOz9ntPRuEvgw/i4fvdIpQgWRcMN+WXMKbpStngcdUSl0B4gu8kLPOLVO3HHJy5mvhRlfx+djXS8nY4UCNk6Pxw7IgdRsjpAOggjZ7xaQc= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1782978403; c=relaxed/simple; bh=n2Sb/jpJFu7KE/OVw/brntK90T4lV4Wikk2rP88gDL4=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=UvdBjEkqaczmOPUZgSyo93BX1xwi+FDCTTCKA/z4YZA0LlA7jdPcOq0GVZNOg6w/vna14RuIwoZixH4xADxxLe0THdwV3nsD0jNqUuGoGIj1wLiTttCqyC3cGbJ8rsgkkIG/ymdkKUKPxN1BYm9dztTrfNswYnVB85d/FFrE+Lo= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/2/26 09:27, Christian Brauner wrote: >> What would be much more relevant to know is to which degree LLMs were used. >> >> Assisted-by: LLM # translate commit message >> Assisted-by: LLM # generate some test cases >> Assisted-by: LLM # cleanup logic >> Assisted-by: LLM # everything and I have no clue what any in here does > > I think we should just drop any attribution as a general kernel-wide > rule and let subsystems require them as needed. Then you can have all > the complexity in mm for this that you think is needed for your > workflow to function. This is precisely what the subsystem profiles are > for. So maybe just add: > > Documentation/process/maintainer-mm.rst > > alongside > > Documentation/process/maintainer-{tip,netdev,x86}.rst > > and lay down the rules that you require for LLM based submissions in > whatever detail you need. I'm not really sure if having (more?) subsystem-specific tags is the way to go. (below) So either we find a very simple, kernel-wide rule for such tags, or we drop them entirely. > > I don't see how this additional commentary you want would ever be > enforced consistently across the kernel or who would even enforce it. I > don't need more beaurocracy to chase after people in my subsystems tbh. That's certainly a good thing to discuss. (below) > > The other thing is that I think this Assisted-by annotation is just > noise in the changelog. If you want to know in detail what an LLM was > used for when generating the patch it's mostly a signal for how > "intense" of a review this will get afaict (already questionable imho > but sure that's just something to disagree on). I'd be happy to just have such information in the cover letter. Without any tags. Having subsystem-specific rules on the disclosure on that might be more reasonable. I agree on the "enforce" aspect. It's impossible, but it's still easy to catch people using AI irresponsibly today ... and that's what we care about. Not people that know what they are doing using AI responsibly. > > If the information is mostly useful during review then I still would > question why it has to end up in our git logs. It's completely > irrelevant information imho. Fully agreed. In the tree it's irrelevant. -- Cheers, David