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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>
Cc: Bryan Henderson <hbryan@us.ibm.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: barriers vs. reads
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:43:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040624134307.GB8440@mail.shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040623202304.O1325@almesberger.net>

Werner Almesberger wrote:
>  i) write requests may never cross a barrier that separates
>     them from other write requests
>  ii) a read request R and a write request W may change their
>      order (with respect to each other), unless they overlap
>      AND are separated by at least one barrier
>  iii) in all other cases, requests are free to move about
> 
> Rule ii) seems a little tricky. Is there actually a means for
> user space to send a barrier, e.g. when doing direct IO ? If
> not, the I think only user of ii) would be "direct IO" that
> comes from unbuffered file system meta-data and such.

It should be possible to write a decent filesystem in userspace --
even if it's just for prototyping -- so barriers from userspace should
be offered, eventually.

Note that unbuffered file system meta-data can theoretically overlap
page cache, although it usually doesn't, and a filesystem could easily
set a flag to say that it doesn't ever.

Think of the experimental modifications to ext3 to allow inodes to be
allocated in a file.  That means blocks are changing their meaning
from being file blocks to inode blocks or vice versa -- and both I/Os
could conceivably be in flight at the same time.

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-24 13:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-22  3:53 barriers vs. reads Werner Almesberger
2004-06-22  7:39 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-22  7:50   ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-22  7:55     ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-22  8:34       ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-22 10:08         ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-22 11:28       ` Jamie Lokier
2004-06-22 11:32         ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-22 17:12           ` Bryan Henderson
2004-06-22 20:53             ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-23 16:41               ` Bryan Henderson
2004-06-23 16:52                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-23 16:53                 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-06-23 21:08                   ` Bryan Henderson
2004-06-23 23:23                   ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24 13:43                     ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2004-06-24 14:32                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-24 17:05                       ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-22 18:53           ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-22 19:57             ` Jamie Lokier
2004-06-22 23:13               ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-22 20:57             ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-22 23:10               ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-23  0:14                 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-06-23  6:27                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-22 18:45         ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-22 19:07           ` Guy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-06-24  0:48 Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24  3:39 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24  8:00   ` Herbert Poetzl
2004-06-24 12:16     ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24 13:36   ` Jamie Lokier
2004-06-24 17:02     ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24 16:39 ` Steve Lord

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