From: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>
To: Bryan Henderson <hbryan@us.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: barriers vs. reads - O_DIRECT
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:46:38 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040624144638.V1325@almesberger.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OF499CA81A.A6865E7D-ON88256EBD.005BF287-88256EBD.005D50C0@us.ibm.com>; from hbryan@us.ibm.com on Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:00:23AM -0700
Bryan Henderson wrote:
> It seems obvious to me that whatever ordering guarantees the user gets
> without the O_DIRECT flag, he should get with it as well.
Yes, it would be nice if we could obtain such behaviour without
unacceptable performance sacrifices. It seems to me that, if we
can find an efficient way for serializing all write-write and
read-write overlaps, plus have explicit barriers for serializing
non-overlapping writes, this should yield pretty much what
everyone wants (*). Now, that "if" needs a bit of work ... :-)
(*) The only difference being that a completing read doesn't
tell you whether the elevator has already passed a barrier.
Currently, one could be lured into depending on this.
> When I worry about I/O scheduling, I usually worry a lot more about block
> device direct I/O (raw devices) than file direct I/O. The former is where
> the block layer is most exposed to the user.
I haven't looked at the direct IO code in detail, but it seems
to me that the elevator behaviour affects file-based direct IO
in the same way as the device-based one.
- Werner
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-06-24 17:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-06-24 0:48 barriers vs. reads Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24 3:39 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24 8:00 ` Herbert Poetzl
2004-06-24 12:16 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24 13:36 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-06-24 17:02 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24 16:39 ` Steve Lord
2004-06-24 17:00 ` barriers vs. reads - O_DIRECT Bryan Henderson
2004-06-24 17:46 ` Werner Almesberger [this message]
2004-06-24 18:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-06-24 20:55 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24 22:42 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-06-25 3:21 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-25 3:57 ` Guy
2004-06-25 4:52 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-25 0:11 ` Bryan Henderson
2004-06-25 2:42 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-25 15:59 ` barriers vs. reads - O_DIRECT aio Bryan Henderson
2004-06-25 16:31 ` barriers vs. reads - O_DIRECT Bryan Henderson
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