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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: pavel@ucw.cz, akpm@osdl.org, torvalds@osdl.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [Request for inclusion] Filesystem in Userspace
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:46:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041118144634.GA7922@openzaurus.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1CUhTd-0006c8-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>

Hi!

> > I know I've asked before... but how is the "fuse-userspace-part
> > swapped out and memory full of dirty data on fuse" deadlock solved?
> 
> By either
> 
>   1) not allowing share writable mappings 
> 
>   2) doing non-blocking asynchronous writepage
> 
> In the first case there will never be dirty data, since normal writes
> go synchronously through the page cache.

Ok, this one works, I agree... But it will be way slower than coda's
file-backed approach, right?

> In the second case there is no deadlock, because the memory subsystem
> doesn't wait for data to be written.  If the filesystem refuses to
> write back data in a timely manner, memory will get full and OOM
> killer will go to work.  Deadlock simply cannot happen.

Hmmm, so if userspace part is swapped out and data is dirtied
"too quickly", OOM is practically guaranteed? That is not nice.

What if userspave daemon is not fast enough to handle writes (going
through slow network or something), is there some mechanksm to
throttle back the writer, or will it just OOM?
				Pavel
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-21  7:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-15 21:15 [PATCH] [Request for inclusion] Filesystem in Userspace Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-15 21:43 ` Greg KH
2004-11-15 22:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-16  9:08   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16  9:18     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-11-16  9:40       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16  9:46         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-11-16  9:52           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 10:17             ` David Woodhouse
2004-11-16 10:25               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 10:13     ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 10:20       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 10:35         ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 10:42           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 12:19             ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 11:02         ` Jan Kratochvil
2004-11-16 14:01           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 16:33             ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 16:45               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 17:03                 ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 17:50                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 17:58                     ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 19:09                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 19:16                         ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 19:30                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 19:38                             ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 19:24                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-16 19:32                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 19:42                             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2004-11-16 19:48                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-16 20:12                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 15:42               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 16:57                 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 17:10                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-17 17:33                     ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 17:38                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-17 17:58                         ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 18:09                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-17 19:58                             ` Mike Waychison
2004-11-17 18:53                           ` [PATCH] " Al Viro
2004-11-17 17:56                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 18:11                     ` Greg KH
2004-11-17 18:17                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 18:20                     ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 17:52                 ` Greg KH
2004-11-17 15:36             ` Alan Cox
2004-11-17 21:37               ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-17 19:00 ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-17 19:45   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 20:44     ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-18  8:17       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 14:46         ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2004-11-21  7:42           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21  7:50             ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21  9:50             ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-21 10:31               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21 10:39                 ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-21 11:29                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21 11:53                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2004-11-21 12:01                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21 18:13             ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-22 16:12               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 17:00         ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 17:14           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 18:49             ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 19:12               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-19  7:01               ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-20 12:00             ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-18 17:12         ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 17:28           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 18:01             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 17:29               ` Alan Cox
2004-11-18 18:55                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 19:28                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-19  9:46                     ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-18 20:57                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-24  6:20                     ` Daniel Phillips
2004-11-24 12:15                 ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-24 13:05                   ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                     ` <200411242001.59504.oliver@neukum.org>
2004-11-24 19:20                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-25  6:26                     ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-25  7:29                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-25  7:47                         ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-25  9:15                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-25  9:54                           ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-30 18:44                     ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 19:16                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 19:55                         ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 21:13                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 21:37                             ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 21:58                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 22:57                                 ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 23:19                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-12-15 17:55                                     ` Avi Kivity
2004-12-15 21:49                                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-12-03 22:07                               ` Daniel Phillips
2004-12-15 17:45                                 ` Avi Kivity
2004-12-01  7:16                             ` Jan Hudec
2004-12-01 13:35                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 21:54                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-18 18:21               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 18:31                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 18:56                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 19:16                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 19:33                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 19:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 20:05                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 21:06                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-18 21:33                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-19 11:27                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-27 17:07                         ` Rik van Riel
2004-11-27 17:13                           ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-03 22:07                           ` Daniel Phillips
2004-11-18 20:16                   ` Elladan
2004-11-18 18:28               ` Jamie Lokier
2004-11-18 18:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 19:12             ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 19:51               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 22:00                 ` Jan Hudec

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