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From: "John T. Kohl" <jtk@us.ibm.com>
To: "Charles P. Wright" <cwright@cs.sunysb.edu>
Cc: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@trondhjem.org>, <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	nfsv4 <nfsv4@linux-nfs.org>,
	fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Support for stackable file systems on top of nfs
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:38:08 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200511111738.jABHc8jw002938@sumu.lexma.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1131722845.10610.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> (cwright@cs.sunysb.edu)

>>>>> "Charles" == Charles P Wright <cwright@cs.sunysb.edu> writes:

Charles> On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 08:45 -0500, John T. Kohl wrote:
>> Other than i_mapping/f_mapping, I don't think it's possible right now
>> for stacking file systems to handle the address_space operations in our
>> layer *and* share the same pages with the backing-store, since the struct
>> pages are attached to the address space via file->f_mapping.
Charles> At Stony Brook, we've come across similar problems.  It is relatively
Charles> easy to double cache, but inefficient.  It is also relatively easy to
Charles> single-cache, but then you don't get to intercept any of these
Charles> interesting operations.  Getting both at once is tricky.

We currently do single-caching, by passing on the mmap operation to the
backing store (swapping in the backing store file for vma->vm_file).
(We do the equivalent in our MVFS built for vnode kernels.)  Swapping
the vm file is mostly workable, but we do have to be a bit too
knowledgable about the innards of file mapping and do some things to
accomodate the actions taken after fop->mmap is called.

However, it does mean that things like /proc/<pid>/exe show the
backing-store file name not the upper-level name.  That screws up some
programs like Java which use /proc/self/exe to find their environment,
since our backing-store directory layout is nothing like the upper-level
layout.

-- 
John Kohl
Senior Software Engineer - Rational Software - IBM Software Group
Lexington, Massachusetts, USA
jtk@us.ibm.com
<http://www.ibm.com/software/rational/>

  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-11 17:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-10 17:32 [RFC] Support for stackable file systems on top of nfs Dave Kleikamp
2005-11-10 20:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-11-10 21:35   ` John T. Kohl
2005-11-10 21:40     ` Shaya Potter
2005-11-10 21:57       ` John T. Kohl
2005-11-10 21:50     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-11-11  2:31     ` Trond Myklebust
2005-11-11  4:04       ` Trond Myklebust
2005-11-11 13:45         ` John T. Kohl
2005-11-11 15:27           ` Charles P. Wright
2005-11-11 17:38             ` John T. Kohl [this message]
2005-11-14 15:56     ` David Howells
2005-11-10 21:24 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-11-10 21:36   ` Shaya Potter
2005-11-10 22:18     ` Trond Myklebust
2005-11-10 22:27       ` Shaya Potter
2005-11-10 22:40         ` Trond Myklebust
2005-11-11  0:12           ` Bryan Henderson
2005-11-11  1:30             ` Brad Boyer
2005-11-11  2:06             ` Trond Myklebust
2005-11-11 18:18               ` Bryan Henderson
2005-11-11 19:22                 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-11-11 21:57                   ` Bryan Henderson
2005-11-11 22:41                     ` Trond Myklebust
2005-11-14 19:02                       ` Bryan Henderson
2005-11-11 16:40             ` Nikita Danilov
2005-11-11 18:45               ` Bryan Henderson
2005-11-11 19:31                 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-11-11 19:42                   ` Trond Myklebust
2005-11-11 23:13                   ` Bryan Henderson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-11-14  0:44 Nikolai Joukov
2005-11-14 16:02 ` David Howells
2005-11-14 20:48   ` Erez Zadok
2005-11-14 21:13     ` John T. Kohl
2005-11-14 21:32       ` Jamie Lokier
2005-11-14 16:11 ` John T. Kohl

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