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From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com>, Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 12/18] shared mount handling: bind and rbind
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:29:03 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200511152129.04079.rob@landley.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511091054290.3247@g5.osdl.org>

On Wednesday 09 November 2005 12:59, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > no. I said application _should_not_ depend on it, because it is a
> > undefined semantics.
>
> It's definitely neither unusual nor undefined. I do all my umounts by
> directory (in fact, doing it by anything else really _is_ badly defined,
> since a block device can be mounted in many places), and the only sane
> semantics would be to peel off the last mount on that directory.

I noticed this upgrading busybox mount a few months back.  I was trying to 
figure out if the correct semantics for umount /dev/block were to umount 
_all_ instances of this block device, or umount just the most recent one.  I 
wound up just passing it through to the kernel and letting it decide, but I 
wasn't sure why it did what it did.

The 2.6 multiple mount semantics are still new enough that the tools are just 
now catching up.  Last I checked, the standard mount was kind of unhappy with 
--bind and --move mounts (they were corrupting /etc/mtab):

http://www.busybox.net/lists/busybox/2005-August/015285.html

The side effects of mount can be really non-obvious at times.  For example, 
while implementing busybox's switch_root I found out that this snippet of 
klibc's run-init.c is slightly wrong:
  if ( chdir(realroot) )
    die("chdir to new root");
/* snip */
  /* Overmount the root */
  if ( mount(".", "/", NULL, MS_MOVE, NULL) )
    die("overmounting root");

  /* chroot, chdir */
  if ( chroot(".") || chdir("/") )
    die("chroot");

The || fallback in the third part won't work.  chroot(".") will get you to the 
new filesystem, but chdir("/") still gets you to the old one, even though 
we've overmounted it.  (I have no idea why.  I assume it's because / is 
special.)

Rob

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-16  3:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-08  2:01 [PATCH 12/18] shared mount handling: bind and rbind Al Viro
2005-11-08 14:11 ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-11-08 15:48   ` Ram Pai
2005-11-08 15:55     ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-11-09 18:44       ` Ram Pai
2005-11-09 18:59         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-09 19:26           ` Al Viro
2005-11-09 19:28           ` Ram Pai
2005-11-16  3:29           ` Rob Landley [this message]
2005-11-16  3:53             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-16  5:35               ` Al Boldi
2005-11-16  8:19                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-11-16  9:10                   ` Rob Landley
2005-11-16 10:14                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-11-16 13:59                   ` Shaya Potter
2005-11-16 16:35                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-11-16 20:05                     ` Al Boldi
2005-11-16 20:21                       ` Shaya Potter
2005-11-16  8:47                 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-16  8:41               ` Rob Landley
2005-11-16 16:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-09 10:54 ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-11-09 14:31   ` Al Viro
2005-11-09 15:22     ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-11-09 15:56       ` Al Viro
2005-11-09 16:33         ` Miklos Szeredi

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