From: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
To: Bryan Henderson <hbryan@us.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] VM: I have a dream...
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:21:24 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200601301621.24051.a1426z@gawab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OFA0FDB57C.2E4B1B4D-ON88257103.00688AE2-88257103.0069EF1C@us.ibm.com>
Bryan Henderson wrote:
> >> So we know it [single level storage] works, but also that people don't
> >> seem to care much for it
>
> > People didn't care, because the AS/400 was based on a proprietary
> > solution.
>
> I don't know what a "proprietary solution" is, but what we had was a
> complete demonstration of the value of single level storage, in commercial
> use and everything, and other computer makers (and other business units
> of IBM) stuck with their memory/disk split personality. For 25 years,
> lots of computer makers developed lots of new computer architectures and
> they all (practically speaking) had the memory/disk split. There has to
> be a lesson in that.
Sure there is lesson here. People have a tendency to resist change, even
though they know the current way is faulty.
> > With todays generically mass-produced 64bit archs, what's not to care
> > about a cost-effective system that provides direct mapped access into
> > linear address space?
>
> I don't know; I'm sure it's complicated.
Why would you think that the shortest path between two points is complicated,
when you have the ability to fly?
> But unless the stumbling block
> since 1980 has been that it was too hard to get/make a CPU with a 64 bit
> address space, I don't see what's different today.
You are hitting the nail right on it's head here.
Nothing moves the masses like mass-production.
So with 64bits widely available now, and to let Linux spread its wings and
really fly, how could tmpfs merged w/ swap be tweaked to provide direct
mapped access into this linear address space?
Thanks!
--
Al
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-01-30 13:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-01-21 18:08 [RFC] VM: I have a dream Al Boldi
2006-01-21 18:42 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-21 18:46 ` Avi Kivity
2006-01-23 19:52 ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-25 22:04 ` Al Boldi
2006-01-26 19:18 ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-27 16:12 ` Al Boldi
2006-01-27 19:17 ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-30 13:21 ` Al Boldi [this message]
2006-01-30 13:35 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-31 15:56 ` Al Boldi
2006-01-31 16:34 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-31 23:14 ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-31 16:34 ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-01-31 19:23 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-02-01 4:06 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-02-02 15:11 ` Alan Cox
2006-02-02 18:59 ` Al Boldi
2006-02-02 22:33 ` Bryan Henderson
2006-02-03 14:46 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-30 16:49 ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-26 0:03 ` Jon Smirl
2006-01-26 19:48 ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-22 8:16 ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-22 12:33 ` Robin Holt
2006-01-23 18:03 ` Al Boldi
2006-01-23 18:40 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-23 19:26 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-01-23 19:40 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-23 22:26 ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-22 19:55 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-01-23 5:23 ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-23 5:46 ` Chase Venters
2006-01-23 8:20 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-01-23 13:17 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-23 20:21 ` Peter Chubb
2006-01-23 15:05 ` Ram Gupta
2006-01-23 15:26 ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-23 16:11 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-01-23 16:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-24 2:08 ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-25 6:13 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-25 9:23 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-25 9:42 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-25 15:02 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-25 23:24 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-25 15:05 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-25 15:47 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-25 16:09 ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-25 17:26 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-26 19:13 ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-25 23:28 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-26 1:29 ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-26 5:01 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-26 5:11 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-26 14:46 ` Dave Kleikamp
2006-01-24 2:10 ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-25 22:27 ` Nix
2006-01-26 15:13 ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-01-26 16:23 ` Nix
2006-01-23 20:43 ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-23 22:42 ` Nikita Danilov
2006-01-24 14:36 ` Ram Gupta
2006-01-24 15:04 ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-24 20:59 ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-24 15:11 ` Nikita Danilov
2006-01-23 22:57 ` Ram Gupta
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-02-01 13:58 Al Boldi
2006-02-01 14:38 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-02-02 12:26 ` Al Boldi
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