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From: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
To: Bryan Henderson <hbryan@us.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] VM: I have a dream...
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:21:24 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200601301621.24051.a1426z@gawab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OFA0FDB57C.2E4B1B4D-ON88257103.00688AE2-88257103.0069EF1C@us.ibm.com>

Bryan Henderson wrote:
> >> So we know it [single level storage] works, but also that people don't
> >> seem to care much for it
>
> > People didn't care, because the AS/400 was based on a proprietary
> > solution.
>
> I don't know what a "proprietary solution" is, but what we had was a
> complete demonstration of the value of single level storage, in commercial
> use and everything,  and other computer makers (and other business units
> of IBM) stuck with their memory/disk split personality.  For 25 years,
> lots of computer makers developed lots of new computer architectures and
> they all (practically speaking) had the memory/disk split.  There has to
> be a lesson in that.

Sure there is lesson here.  People have a tendency to resist change, even 
though they know the current way is faulty.

> > With todays generically mass-produced 64bit archs, what's not to care
> > about a cost-effective system that provides direct mapped access into 
> > linear address space?
>
> I don't know; I'm sure it's complicated.

Why would you think that the shortest path between two points is complicated, 
when you have the ability to fly?

> But unless the stumbling block
> since 1980 has been that it was too hard to get/make a CPU with a 64 bit
> address space, I don't see what's different today.

You are hitting the nail right on it's head here.
Nothing moves the masses like mass-production.

So with 64bits widely available now, and to let Linux spread its wings and 
really fly, how could tmpfs merged w/ swap be tweaked to provide direct 
mapped access into this linear address space?

Thanks!

--
Al


  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-30 13:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-21 18:08 [RFC] VM: I have a dream Al Boldi
2006-01-21 18:42 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-21 18:46 ` Avi Kivity
2006-01-23 19:52   ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-25 22:04     ` Al Boldi
2006-01-26 19:18       ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-27 16:12         ` Al Boldi
2006-01-27 19:17           ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-30 13:21             ` Al Boldi [this message]
2006-01-30 13:35               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-31 15:56                 ` Al Boldi
2006-01-31 16:34                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-31 23:14                     ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-31 16:34                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-01-31 19:23                   ` Jamie Lokier
2006-02-01  4:06                   ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-02-02 15:11                   ` Alan Cox
2006-02-02 18:59                     ` Al Boldi
2006-02-02 22:33                       ` Bryan Henderson
2006-02-03 14:46                       ` Alan Cox
2006-01-30 16:49               ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-26  0:03     ` Jon Smirl
2006-01-26 19:48       ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-22  8:16 ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-22 12:33 ` Robin Holt
2006-01-23 18:03   ` Al Boldi
2006-01-23 18:40     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-23 19:26       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-01-23 19:40         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-23 22:26     ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-22 19:55 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-01-23  5:23   ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-23  5:46     ` Chase Venters
2006-01-23  8:20       ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-01-23 13:17       ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-23 20:21         ` Peter Chubb
2006-01-23 15:05     ` Ram Gupta
2006-01-23 15:26       ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-23 16:11         ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-01-23 16:50           ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-24  2:08           ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-25  6:13             ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-25  9:23             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-25  9:42               ` Lee Revell
2006-01-25 15:02                 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-25 23:24                   ` Lee Revell
2006-01-25 15:05               ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-25 15:47                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-25 16:09                 ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-25 17:26                   ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-26 19:13                     ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-25 23:28                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-26  1:29                   ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-26  5:01                   ` Jamie Lokier
2006-01-26  5:11                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-26 14:46                       ` Dave Kleikamp
2006-01-24  2:10           ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-25 22:27         ` Nix
2006-01-26 15:13           ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-01-26 16:23             ` Nix
2006-01-23 20:43       ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-23 22:42         ` Nikita Danilov
2006-01-24 14:36           ` Ram Gupta
2006-01-24 15:04             ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-24 20:59               ` Bryan Henderson
2006-01-24 15:11             ` Nikita Danilov
2006-01-23 22:57         ` Ram Gupta
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-02-01 13:58 Al Boldi
2006-02-01 14:38 ` Jamie Lokier
2006-02-02 12:26   ` Al Boldi

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