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From: Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>
To: Xin Zhao <uszhaoxin@gmail.com>
Cc: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	mingz@ele.uri.edu, mikado4vn@gmail.com,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Question regarding to store file system metadata in database
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:32:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060320233247.GF27946@ftp.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ae3c140603201453p113c8c11h3029d1d55d209e27@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 05:53:08PM -0500, Xin Zhao wrote:
> Apparently this comparison is not 100% fair. In my experiment, I
> randomly pick pathname from 1.2 million path names to resolve the
> inode number. But in your "cp -rl linux2.6 foo1" experiment, you
> essentially did directory entry lookup sequentially, which maximize
> the possible performance. If you do the same thing in a random
> fashion, you will probably get much worse performance. As I said
> before, I totally agree that 2000/sec is slow. But the point here is
> whether 2000/sec is enough for most scenarios?

It is not; e.g. unpacking a tarball or running make(1) on even a
medium-sized tree is going to hurt that way.  Moreover, the same
goes for a lot of scripts, etc.

And that's aside of the question of CPU load you are inflicting -
it's not just 2000/sec, it's 2000/sec _and_ _nothing_ _else_ _gets_
_done_.

BTW, for real lookup speed, try find(1).  From hot cache.

> I am not saying existing FS implementation is not efficient. I agreed
> that file system has been fully optimized. What I want to say is to
> support complex mapping in the system I described before, we might
> need some extension on existing file systems. Question is what is the
> best extension. Consider how to allow user a, b to share physical copy
> f.1, while allowing user c to use private copy f.2? The virtual
> pathname to physical pathname should be transparent to end users. That
> is, all the users should be able to access right file copies using
> virtual path "f". The file system should be able to tell the different
> identity and return the data from the right physical copy. That's what
> we want to do. But it is hard to achieve without some extension. :)

So what happens upon rename()?

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-20 23:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-19  4:48 Question regarding to store file system metadata in database Xin Zhao
2006-03-19  5:07 ` Mikado
2006-03-19 17:48   ` Xin Zhao
2006-03-19 17:58     ` Ming Zhang
2006-03-19 18:11       ` Xin Zhao
2006-03-19 18:26         ` Ming Zhang
2006-03-19 18:50           ` Xin Zhao
2006-03-19 19:47             ` Al Viro
     [not found]               ` <441DC2D6.4060001@societasilluminati.org>
2006-03-19 21:24                 ` Ming Zhang
2006-03-20 13:09               ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-03-20 15:13                 ` Xin Zhao
2006-03-20 19:36                   ` Xin Zhao
2006-03-20 19:58                     ` Al Viro
2006-03-20 22:53                       ` Xin Zhao
2006-03-20 23:32                         ` Al Viro [this message]
2006-03-20 21:08                     ` Matti Aarnio
2006-03-20 22:28                     ` Erez Zadok
2006-03-20 22:19                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-03-21  6:51                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2006-03-21 20:05                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-03-22 15:21                     ` Xin Zhao
2006-03-19 21:34             ` Ming Zhang
2006-03-20  8:30         ` Matti Aarnio
2006-03-19 23:06 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-19 23:44   ` Matthew Wilcox

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