From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
torvalds@osdl.org, cmm@us.ibm.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
alex@clusterfs.com, adilger@clusterfs.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:59:36 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060609115936.2fdda6d0.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4489C0B8.7050400@garzik.org>
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:40:56 -0400
Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org> wrote:
> Andreas Dilger wrote:
> > Having a single codebase for everyone means that it is continually maintained
> > and users of ext3 aren't left out in the cold.
>
> That implies continually upgrading ext3 for newer storage technologies,
> which in turn implies adding all sorts of incompatible formats to
> support better storage scaling, and new usage models.
Look, I'm not certain either way on this - I really don't like the format
incompatibility and I'd like to see a breakdown of the performance benefits
of each of the proposed new features so perhaps we can cherrypick. And I'm
deferring judgement until I've looked at some patches.
But Jeff, please stop this wild exaggeration! "continually upgrading",
"all sorts of incompatible formats". It's not helping anything.
Today's ext3 is, afaik, 100% on-disk compatible with ext3 from five years
ago, and probably with RH's 2.2-based implementation. So we have not done
and will not do the things which you are FUDding us about.
This is (again, as far as I recall) the first on-disk-incompatible change
in ext3 which has ever been proposed. It's not a thing which is done
lightly and it's not a thing which is likely to happen again for a very long
time indeed.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-06-09 18:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 296+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-06-09 1:20 [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Mingming Cao
2006-06-09 2:40 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 8:20 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:35 ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 19:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:28 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:41 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:23 ` Mingming Cao
2006-06-09 2:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 8:35 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 15:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 15:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:55 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:07 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:09 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:04 ` Matthew Frost
2006-06-09 18:10 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:14 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:39 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 19:45 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:38 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-10 10:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-09 19:49 ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 20:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:57 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 21:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 21:55 ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 23:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 0:45 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 0:47 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 1:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 1:30 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 1:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:03 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 2:11 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:54 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 3:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 12:15 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 14:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:58 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:26 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 2:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 4:22 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 22:37 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-11 16:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-11 16:30 ` Nikita Danilov
2006-06-11 16:55 ` [Ext2-devel] " Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-12 6:35 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-12 22:06 ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 14:31 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-14 21:34 ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 0:28 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15 4:55 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-15 7:43 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15 9:15 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 9:40 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15 9:50 ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-09 20:52 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 21:47 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 0:41 ` James Morris
2006-06-09 16:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:38 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 15:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:10 ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:24 ` Erik Mouw
2006-06-09 16:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:24 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 16:25 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:50 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:53 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:01 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 16:48 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:54 ` KELEMEN Peter
2006-06-09 16:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:12 ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:57 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 20:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:14 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 20:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-19 7:48 ` [Ext2-devel] " Helge Hafting
2006-06-09 20:38 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 20:50 ` Dave Jones
2006-06-09 21:09 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:51 ` Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 21:32 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 23:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 23:37 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 21:03 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 21:24 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:36 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 21:51 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 22:07 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 22:31 ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 22:47 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 23:54 ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 23:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-12 8:58 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-10 0:07 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-06-10 0:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:54 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:04 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:30 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:41 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-09 17:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:00 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:04 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:17 ` Michael Poole
2006-06-09 17:44 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 17:58 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:10 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:30 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:50 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 19:00 ` Chase Venters
2006-06-10 13:33 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-09 19:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 19:27 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-10 19:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 20:02 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 21:26 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 21:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 22:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 22:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-11 4:39 ` Stable/devel policy - was Re: [Ext2-devel] " Neil Brown
2006-06-11 5:19 ` Stable/devel policy - was " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-11 7:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-13 0:28 ` Stable/devel policy - was Re: [Ext2-devel] " Mingming Cao
2006-06-09 19:21 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 19:13 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 19:24 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:35 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:35 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:44 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 20:49 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:11 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:20 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:29 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:33 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:43 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-11 20:14 ` [Ext2-devel] " grundig
2006-06-14 16:45 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:22 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:16 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:43 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:50 ` Diego Calleja
2006-06-09 19:08 ` Diego Calleja
2006-06-09 18:40 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:59 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-06-09 19:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:27 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 20:44 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-11 15:52 ` [Ext2-devel] " Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-09 18:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:12 ` Jeff Anderson-Lee
2006-06-09 18:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-10 19:10 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-10 19:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 15:28 ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-10 3:26 ` Continuation Inodes Explained! (was Re: [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3) Valerie Henson
2006-06-10 5:25 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 5:41 ` Valerie Henson
2006-06-10 6:22 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 14:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:44 ` [Ext2-devel] [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:53 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:02 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:04 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:29 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 15:53 ` [Ext2-devel] " Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 16:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:58 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 18:25 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-10 13:46 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 14:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-10 15:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-11 6:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-10 16:00 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 16:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 23:05 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-13 13:34 ` [Ext2-devel] " Helge Hafting
2006-06-09 20:32 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 20:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:56 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-20 6:15 ` [Ext2-devel] " Qi Yong
2006-06-20 8:26 ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-20 8:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-20 9:21 ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-20 9:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-20 10:40 ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-09 17:14 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 9:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-09 10:07 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 15:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-09 15:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:29 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 16:56 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 17:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:35 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 17:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:27 ` [Ext2-devel] " Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 18:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:22 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:49 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 23:34 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 13:49 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 13:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 14:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 18:01 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 21:42 ` Sonny Rao
2006-06-09 22:15 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 23:11 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 3:37 ` Valerie Henson
2006-06-10 3:49 ` Nathan Scott
2006-06-09 18:23 ` Michael Poole
2006-06-09 18:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:42 ` [Ext2-devel] " Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 20:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:08 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 20:10 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:35 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 21:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 21:45 ` [Ext2-devel] " Michael Poole
2006-06-09 21:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:04 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 0:49 ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2006-06-10 1:06 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 14:07 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-06-10 19:52 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 10:49 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 11:26 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:23 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 14:33 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:34 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:35 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 14:57 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:17 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:21 ` Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 16:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:48 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:33 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:37 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:52 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 23:21 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 1:21 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-10 2:09 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 2:45 ` Nicholas Miell
2006-06-10 4:29 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 16:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 17:32 ` [Ext2-devel] " Greg KH
2006-06-09 18:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-30 0:16 ` [RFC][Update 0/16]extents and 48bit ext3/4 patches Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:16 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 1/16]core extent map support Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 2/16]sector_t type format string Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 3/16]convert ext3_fsblk_t to sector_t to support >32 bit block in kernel Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 4/16]support 48 bit blk number in extents Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 5/16]block type convert " Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 6/16]handing unitialized extents Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 7/16]Core 64 bit JBD changes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 8/16]Avoid potential block overflow when writing journal metadata tags Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 9/16]Fix reading of 32-bit tag descriptors Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 10/16]Cleanup journal_tag_bytes() Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 11/16]JBD layer in-kernel block variables type fixes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 12/16]Fix undefined ">> 32" in revoke code Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 3:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 13/16] 48 bit on-disk i_file_acl support Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 14/16] 48bit super block (metadata) changes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 15/16] compile warning fix and change 64bit to INCOMPAT feature Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 16/16]Update ext3 superblock definition Mingming Cao
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