From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Gerrit Huizenga <gh@us.ibm.com>,
Michael Poole <mdpoole@troilus.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
cmm@us.ibm.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Ext2-devel] [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:35:23 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060609203523.GE10524@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4489D36C.3010000@garzik.org>
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 04:00:44PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> But for ext3 specifically, it seems like bolting on extents, 48bit,
> delayed allocation, and other new features weren't really suited for the
> original ext2-style design. Outside of the support (and marketing,
> because that's all version numbers are in the end) issues already
> mentioned, I think it falls into the nebulous realm of "taste."
If is very much a matter of taste, why are you trying to dictate to
the ext2 developers how they choose to do things? As long as it
works, and we haven't screwed up yet, I'd argue this is falls into the
category of letting each subsystem decide how they best work. The way
DaveM and the networking team works is quite different from how the
SCSI developers work or the XFS team work --- it's not a
one-size-fits-all sort of thing.
And I'd also dispute with your "weren't really suited for the original
ext2-style design" comment. Ext2/3 was always designed to be
extensible from the start, and we've successfully added features quite
successfully for quite a while.
> Rather than taking another decade to slowly fix ext2 design decisions,
> why not move the process along a bit more rapidly? Release early,
> release often...
I don't think it will be another decade, but yes, regardless of
whether we do a code fork or not, it will take time. Basically, you
and the ext2 developers have a disagreement about whether or not a
code fork will actually move the process along more quickly or not.
Either way, we will be releasing early and often, so people can test
it out and comment on it. Releasing patches to LKML is just the first
step in this process.
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-06-09 20:35 UTC|newest]
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2006-06-09 1:20 [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Mingming Cao
2006-06-09 2:40 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 8:20 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:35 ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 19:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:28 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:41 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:23 ` Mingming Cao
2006-06-09 2:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 8:35 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 15:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 15:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:55 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:07 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:09 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:04 ` Matthew Frost
2006-06-09 18:10 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:14 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:39 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 19:45 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:38 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-10 10:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-09 19:49 ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 20:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:57 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 21:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 21:55 ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 23:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 0:45 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 0:47 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 1:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 1:30 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 1:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:03 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 2:11 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:54 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 3:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 12:15 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 14:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:58 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 2:26 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 2:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 4:22 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 22:37 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-11 16:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-11 16:30 ` Nikita Danilov
2006-06-11 16:55 ` [Ext2-devel] " Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-12 6:35 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-12 22:06 ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 14:31 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-14 21:34 ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 0:28 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15 4:55 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-15 7:43 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15 9:15 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15 9:40 ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15 9:50 ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-09 20:52 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 21:47 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 0:41 ` James Morris
2006-06-09 16:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:38 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 15:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:10 ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:24 ` Erik Mouw
2006-06-09 16:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:24 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 16:25 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:50 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:53 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:01 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 16:48 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:54 ` KELEMEN Peter
2006-06-09 16:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:12 ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:57 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 20:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:14 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 20:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-19 7:48 ` [Ext2-devel] " Helge Hafting
2006-06-09 20:38 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 20:50 ` Dave Jones
2006-06-09 21:09 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:51 ` Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 21:32 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 23:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 23:37 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 21:03 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 21:24 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:36 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 21:51 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 22:07 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 22:31 ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 22:47 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 23:54 ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 23:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-12 8:58 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-10 0:07 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-06-10 0:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:54 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:04 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:30 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:41 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-09 17:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:00 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:04 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:17 ` Michael Poole
2006-06-09 17:44 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 17:58 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:10 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:30 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:50 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 19:00 ` Chase Venters
2006-06-10 13:33 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-09 19:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 19:27 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-10 19:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 20:02 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 21:26 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 21:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 22:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 22:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-11 4:39 ` Stable/devel policy - was Re: [Ext2-devel] " Neil Brown
2006-06-11 5:19 ` Stable/devel policy - was " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-11 7:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-13 0:28 ` Stable/devel policy - was Re: [Ext2-devel] " Mingming Cao
2006-06-09 19:21 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 19:13 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 19:24 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:35 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:35 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:44 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 20:49 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:11 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:20 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:29 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:33 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:43 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-11 20:14 ` [Ext2-devel] " grundig
2006-06-14 16:45 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:22 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:16 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:43 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:50 ` Diego Calleja
2006-06-09 19:08 ` Diego Calleja
2006-06-09 18:40 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:59 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 19:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:27 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 20:44 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-11 15:52 ` [Ext2-devel] " Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-09 18:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:12 ` Jeff Anderson-Lee
2006-06-09 18:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-10 19:10 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-10 19:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 15:28 ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-10 3:26 ` Continuation Inodes Explained! (was Re: [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3) Valerie Henson
2006-06-10 5:25 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 5:41 ` Valerie Henson
2006-06-10 6:22 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 14:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:44 ` [Ext2-devel] [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:53 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:02 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:04 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:29 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 15:53 ` [Ext2-devel] " Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 16:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:58 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 18:25 ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-10 13:46 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 14:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-10 15:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-11 6:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-10 16:00 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 16:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 23:05 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-13 13:34 ` [Ext2-devel] " Helge Hafting
2006-06-09 20:32 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 20:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:56 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-20 6:15 ` [Ext2-devel] " Qi Yong
2006-06-20 8:26 ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-20 8:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-20 9:21 ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-20 9:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-20 10:40 ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-09 17:14 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 9:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-09 10:07 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 15:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-09 15:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:29 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 16:56 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 17:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:35 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 17:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:27 ` [Ext2-devel] " Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 18:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:22 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:49 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 23:34 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 13:49 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 13:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 14:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 18:01 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 21:42 ` Sonny Rao
2006-06-09 22:15 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 23:11 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 3:37 ` Valerie Henson
2006-06-10 3:49 ` Nathan Scott
2006-06-09 18:23 ` Michael Poole
2006-06-09 18:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:42 ` [Ext2-devel] " Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 20:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:08 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 20:10 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:35 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2006-06-09 21:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 21:45 ` [Ext2-devel] " Michael Poole
2006-06-09 21:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:04 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 0:49 ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2006-06-10 1:06 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 14:07 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-06-10 19:52 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 10:49 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 11:26 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:23 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 14:33 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:34 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:35 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 14:57 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:17 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:21 ` Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 16:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:48 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:33 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:37 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:52 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 23:21 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 1:21 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-10 2:09 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 2:45 ` Nicholas Miell
2006-06-10 4:29 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 16:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 17:32 ` [Ext2-devel] " Greg KH
2006-06-09 18:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-30 0:16 ` [RFC][Update 0/16]extents and 48bit ext3/4 patches Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:16 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 1/16]core extent map support Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 2/16]sector_t type format string Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 3/16]convert ext3_fsblk_t to sector_t to support >32 bit block in kernel Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 4/16]support 48 bit blk number in extents Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 5/16]block type convert " Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 6/16]handing unitialized extents Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 7/16]Core 64 bit JBD changes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 8/16]Avoid potential block overflow when writing journal metadata tags Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 9/16]Fix reading of 32-bit tag descriptors Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 10/16]Cleanup journal_tag_bytes() Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 11/16]JBD layer in-kernel block variables type fixes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 12/16]Fix undefined ">> 32" in revoke code Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 3:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-30 0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 13/16] 48 bit on-disk i_file_acl support Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 14/16] 48bit super block (metadata) changes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 15/16] compile warning fix and change 64bit to INCOMPAT feature Mingming Cao
2006-06-30 0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 16/16]Update ext3 superblock definition Mingming Cao
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2006-06-14 16:45 ` [Ext2-devel] [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Bodo Eggert
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