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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Matthew Frost <artusemrys@sbcglobal.net>,
	"ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Mingming Cao <cmm@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Alex Tomas <alex@clusterfs.com>
Subject: Re: [Ext2-devel] [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:30:48 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060610013048.GS5964@schatzie.adilger.int> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <448A1BBA.1030103@garzik.org>

On Jun 09, 2006  21:09 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Theodore Tso wrote:
> > Jeff, you seem to think that the fact that the layout isn't precisely
> > the same after an on-line resizing is proof of something horrible, but
> > it isn't.  The exact location of filesystem metadata has never been
> > fixed, not in the past ten years of ext2/3 history, and this is not a
> > big deal.  It certainly isn't "proof" of on-line resizing being
> > something horrible, as you keep trying to claim, without any arguments
> > other than, "The layout is different!".  
> 
> No, I was proving merely that it is _different_.  And the values where 
> you see a _difference_ are the ones of which are no longer sized 
> optimally, after you grow the fs to a larger size.

It sounds like you don't know what you are talking about, which is OK,
except that you keep harping on some non-existent point.

> So you incur a performance penalty for resizing to size S2, rather than 
> mke2fs'ing the new blkdev at size S2.  Certainly within the confines of 
> ext3 that cannot be helped, but a different inode allocation strategy 
> could improve upon that.

???  Can you please be specific in what the performance penalty is, and
what specifically is "not sized optimally" after a resize?  How exactly
does inode allocation strategy relate to anything at all to online resizing.

Given that Ted and I are both disagreeing with you, and we are the two
people who know the most about the online resizing code (SCT is also
in this same group), maybe you should just concede that you are incorrect
on this point and move on.

Cheers, Andreas
--
Andreas Dilger
Principal Software Engineer
Cluster File Systems, Inc.


  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-10  1:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 295+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-09  1:20 [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Mingming Cao
2006-06-09  2:40 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09  8:20   ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:35     ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 19:20       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:28         ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:32           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:41             ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:23   ` Mingming Cao
2006-06-09  2:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09  8:35   ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 15:08     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:25       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 15:47           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:55             ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:56               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:07                 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:09                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:04                   ` Matthew Frost
2006-06-09 18:10                     ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:14                     ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:51                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:39                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 19:45                           ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:38                             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-10 10:03                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-09 19:49                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 20:04                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:57                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 21:49                               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 21:55                                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 23:44                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  0:45                                     ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10  0:47                                     ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10  1:09                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  1:30                                         ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2006-06-10  1:43                                           ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  2:03                                             ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10  2:11                                               ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  2:54                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10  3:11                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 12:15                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 14:31                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  2:58                                               ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  2:26                                             ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10  2:31                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  4:22                                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 22:37                             ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-11 16:02                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-11 16:30                           ` Nikita Danilov
2006-06-11 16:55                             ` [Ext2-devel] " Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-12  6:35                           ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-12 22:06                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-14 14:31                           ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-14 21:34                             ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  0:28                               ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15  4:55                                 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-15  7:43                                   ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15  9:15                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-15  9:40                                   ` Barry K. Nathan
2006-06-15  9:50                                     ` [Ext2-devel] " Pavel Machek
2006-06-09 20:52                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 21:47                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  0:41                     ` James Morris
2006-06-09 16:01             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:38             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 15:57           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:10           ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:10             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:24               ` Erik Mouw
2006-06-09 16:28                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:24               ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 16:25               ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:28                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:50                   ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:53                     ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:01                       ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:10                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:25             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 16:48               ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:54                 ` KELEMEN Peter
2006-06-09 16:55                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:12                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:12                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:57                   ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 20:09                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:14                       ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 20:28                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-19  7:48                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Helge Hafting
2006-06-09 20:38                     ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 20:50                       ` Dave Jones
2006-06-09 21:09                         ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:51                           ` Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 21:32                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:56                           ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:06                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 23:09                             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 23:37                               ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:54                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 21:03                       ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 21:24                         ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:36                           ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 21:51                           ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 22:07                             ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 22:31                               ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 22:47                                 ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 23:54                                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 23:48                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-12  8:58                     ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-10  0:07                   ` Olivier Galibert
2006-06-10  0:13                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:54               ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:04                 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 17:30                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:41                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-09 17:50                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:00                         ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:04                       ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:17                       ` Michael Poole
2006-06-09 17:44                 ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 17:58                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:10                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 18:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:30                     ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 18:38                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 18:50                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 19:00                           ` Chase Venters
2006-06-10 13:33                             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-09 19:01                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 19:27                             ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-10 19:44                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 20:02                                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 21:26                                   ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 21:31                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-10 22:12                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 22:21                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-11  4:39                                       ` Stable/devel policy - was Re: [Ext2-devel] " Neil Brown
2006-06-11  5:19                                         ` Stable/devel policy - was " Linus Torvalds
2006-06-11  7:32                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-13  0:28                                         ` Stable/devel policy - was Re: [Ext2-devel] " Mingming Cao
2006-06-09 19:21                           ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 19:13                             ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 19:24                             ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:25                               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:35                                 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:35                                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:44                                   ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 20:49                                     ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:11                                       ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:20                                         ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:29                                           ` Joel Becker
2006-06-09 21:33                                             ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 21:43                                             ` Joel Becker
2006-06-11 20:14                                   ` [Ext2-devel] " grundig
2006-06-14 16:45                                     ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:22                         ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:22                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:16                         ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 20:31                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:31                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:43                       ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:50                       ` Diego Calleja
2006-06-09 19:08                         ` Diego Calleja
2006-06-09 18:40                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:59                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 19:16                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:27                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-09 20:44                       ` Alan Cox
2006-06-11 15:52                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-09 18:41                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:12               ` Jeff Anderson-Lee
2006-06-09 18:02               ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-10 19:10         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-10 19:27           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 15:28       ` [Ext2-devel] " Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:31         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-10  3:26           ` Continuation Inodes Explained! (was Re: [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3) Valerie Henson
2006-06-10  5:25             ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10  5:41               ` Valerie Henson
2006-06-10  6:22                 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 14:22             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:44         ` [Ext2-devel] [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:53           ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:52             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:02               ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:04                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:29           ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 15:53         ` [Ext2-devel] " Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 16:03           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 17:58             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 18:25               ` [Ext2-devel] " Chase Venters
2006-06-10 13:46               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 14:42                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-10 15:03                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-11  6:00                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-10 16:00                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 16:05                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 23:05                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-13 13:34               ` [Ext2-devel] " Helge Hafting
2006-06-09 20:32       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2006-06-09 20:46         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-09 20:56           ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-20  6:15           ` [Ext2-devel] " Qi Yong
2006-06-20  8:26             ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-20  8:30               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-20  9:21                 ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-20  9:48                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-20 10:40                     ` Laurent Vivier
2006-06-09 17:14   ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09  9:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-09 10:07   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 15:40     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 15:42       ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-06-09 15:51         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:29         ` Alan Cox
2006-06-09 16:56       ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 17:07         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:35           ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 17:48             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 17:59               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 18:27                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 18:54                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:22                     ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 19:23                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:49                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 23:34                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10 13:49                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-10 13:51                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 14:54                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 18:01                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 21:42             ` Sonny Rao
2006-06-09 22:15               ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 23:11                 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 23:15                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10  3:37                   ` Valerie Henson
2006-06-10  3:49                 ` Nathan Scott
2006-06-09 18:23       ` Michael Poole
2006-06-09 18:55         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 19:42           ` [Ext2-devel] " Gerrit Huizenga
2006-06-09 20:00             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:08               ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 20:10                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 20:35               ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 21:41                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 21:45                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Michael Poole
2006-06-09 21:53                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:04                       ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10  0:49         ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2006-06-10  1:06           ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-10 14:07             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-06-10 19:52               ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-09 10:49   ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 11:26   ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:23     ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 14:33       ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:34       ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 14:35         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 14:57           ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 15:17             ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:21               ` Mike Snitzer
2006-06-09 16:27                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:48                   ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:51                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 16:33                 ` Alex Tomas
2006-06-09 16:37                   ` [Ext2-devel] " Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09 22:52                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-09 23:21                     ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10  1:21                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-10  2:09                         ` [Ext2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2006-06-10  2:45                           ` Nicholas Miell
2006-06-10  4:29                             ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 16:56               ` Andreas Dilger
2006-06-09 17:32                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Greg KH
2006-06-09 18:48                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-30  0:16 ` [RFC][Update 0/16]extents and 48bit ext3/4 patches Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:16 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 1/16]core extent map support Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 2/16]sector_t type format string Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 3/16]convert ext3_fsblk_t to sector_t to support >32 bit block in kernel Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 4/16]support 48 bit blk number in extents Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 5/16]block type convert " Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 6/16]handing unitialized extents Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:17 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 7/16]Core 64 bit JBD changes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 8/16]Avoid potential block overflow when writing journal metadata tags Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 9/16]Fix reading of 32-bit tag descriptors Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 10/16]Cleanup journal_tag_bytes() Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 11/16]JBD layer in-kernel block variables type fixes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 12/16]Fix undefined ">> 32" in revoke code Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  3:15   ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-30  0:18 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 13/16] 48 bit on-disk i_file_acl support Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 14/16] 48bit super block (metadata) changes Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 15/16] compile warning fix and change 64bit to INCOMPAT feature Mingming Cao
2006-06-30  0:19 ` [RFC][Update][Patch 16/16]Update ext3 superblock definition Mingming Cao
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2006-06-14 16:45                                     ` [Ext2-devel] [RFC 0/13] extents and 48bit ext3 Bodo Eggert

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