From: Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>
To: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
Cc: "Adrian Bunk" <bunk@stusta.de>,
"Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>,
"David Woodhouse" <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
"Randy.Dunlap" <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
"Roman Zippel" <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
"David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 17/17] BLOCK: Make it possible to disable the block layer [try #2]
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:14:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060901181435.GA21187@uranus.ravnborg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44F8732B.8080102@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 07:51:39PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
>
> It will get difficult to entirely please users who don't use these
> interfaces to .config.
We have a number of more or less friendly interfaces to configure
the kernel. Yet some people prefer to directly modify the .config.
That is fine let them do so.
But to get an overview over the sometimes complex logic thay have
to turn to move powerfull tools such as menuconfig.
Editing .config is a second class citizen way of configuring the
kernel, and menuconfig is first class IMHO.
So enhancing the .config file to express the dependencies
is not the way forward. We should do this in menuconfig (and friends)
and let users use the dedicated interface to edit their kernel
configuration using the dedicated tools and not by editing .config.
Much of the discussion are centered about "select" which is indeed
ugly are in some cases ill-used.
But prime issue is that using select makes it hard to
un-select certain configuration items. And avoiding select makes it
un-intuitive to enable some configuration items.
So we simple needs to:
1) Make is easy to un-select selected configuration items by unselecting
the relevant items
2) Make it possible to select 'non-visible' options by providing a way
to satisfy the dependencies.
And maybe 2) makes select almost obsolete..
Sam
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-09-01 18:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2006-08-24 21:32 ` [PATCH 01/17] BLOCK: Move functions out of buffer code [try #2] David Howells
2006-08-24 21:32 ` [PATCH 02/17] BLOCK: Remove duplicate declaration of exit_io_context() " David Howells
2006-08-25 14:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-24 21:32 ` [PATCH 03/17] BLOCK: Stop fallback_migrate_page() from using page_has_buffers() " David Howells
2006-08-25 14:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-25 16:11 ` David Howells
2006-08-24 21:33 ` [PATCH 04/17] BLOCK: Separate the bounce buffering code from the highmem code " David Howells
2006-08-25 14:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-24 21:33 ` [PATCH 05/17] BLOCK: Don't call block_sync_page() from AFS " David Howells
2006-08-25 14:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-25 16:12 ` David Howells
2006-08-24 21:33 ` [PATCH 06/17] BLOCK: Move bdev_cache_init() declaration to headerfile " David Howells
2006-08-25 14:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-24 21:33 ` [PATCH 07/17] BLOCK: Remove dependence on existence of blockdev_superblock " David Howells
2006-08-25 14:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-24 21:33 ` [PATCH 08/17] BLOCK: Dissociate generic_writepages() from mpage stuff " David Howells
2006-08-25 14:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-24 21:33 ` [PATCH 09/17] BLOCK: Move __invalidate_device() to block_dev.c " David Howells
2006-08-25 14:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-24 21:33 ` [PATCH 10/17] BLOCK: Move the loop device ioctl compat stuff to the loop driver " David Howells
2006-08-25 9:27 ` David Howells
2006-08-25 11:01 ` David Howells
2006-08-24 21:33 ` [PATCH 11/17] BLOCK: Move common FS-specific ioctls to linux/fs.h " David Howells
2006-08-25 8:38 ` David Howells
2006-08-25 8:44 ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-08-24 21:33 ` [PATCH 12/17] BLOCK: Move the ReiserFS device ioctl compat stuff to the ReiserFS driver " David Howells
2006-08-24 21:33 ` [PATCH 13/17] BLOCK: Move the Ext2 device ioctl compat stuff to the Ext2 " David Howells
2006-08-24 21:33 ` [PATCH 14/17] BLOCK: Move the Ext3 device ioctl compat stuff to the Ext3 " David Howells
2006-08-24 21:33 ` [PATCH 15/17] BLOCK: Stop CIFS from using EXT2 ioctl numbers directly " David Howells
2006-08-24 21:41 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-08-25 8:12 ` David Howells
2006-08-24 21:33 ` [PATCH 16/17] BLOCK: Move the msdos device ioctl compat stuff to the msdos driver " David Howells
2006-08-24 21:33 ` [PATCH 17/17] BLOCK: Make it possible to disable the block layer " David Howells
2006-08-25 14:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-25 14:52 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2006-08-25 16:23 ` David Howells
2006-08-29 11:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-29 12:21 ` Stefan Richter
2006-08-29 12:23 ` David Howells
2006-08-29 12:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-29 13:50 ` Stefan Richter
2006-08-29 14:13 ` Stefan Richter
2006-08-30 1:12 ` Roman Zippel
2006-08-30 18:33 ` Stefan Richter
2006-08-30 21:43 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-30 22:41 ` Roman Zippel
2006-08-30 23:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-30 23:58 ` Roman Zippel
2006-08-31 8:01 ` Stefan Richter
2006-09-01 0:15 ` David Woodhouse
2006-09-01 0:48 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-09-01 1:27 ` David Woodhouse
2006-09-01 1:47 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-09-01 13:44 ` Jörn Engel
2006-09-01 15:31 ` Stefan Richter
2006-09-01 16:19 ` Jörn Engel
2006-09-01 16:34 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-09-01 17:51 ` Stefan Richter
2006-09-01 18:14 ` Sam Ravnborg [this message]
2006-08-30 22:50 ` Stefan Richter
2006-08-30 23:12 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-30 1:11 ` Roman Zippel
2006-08-30 11:29 ` Stefan Richter
2006-08-29 19:58 ` Greg KH
2006-08-29 21:08 ` John Stoffel
2006-08-31 3:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-08-31 3:04 ` Shaya Potter
2006-08-31 8:53 ` Stefan Richter
2006-08-31 12:32 ` Shaya Potter
2006-08-31 13:16 ` Stefan Richter
2006-08-31 13:27 ` Shaya Potter
2006-08-31 10:13 ` David Howells
2006-08-25 18:46 ` David Howells
2006-08-25 14:08 ` [PATCH 01/17] BLOCK: Move functions out of buffer code " Christoph Hellwig
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2006-08-30 13:23 ` [PATCH 17/17] BLOCK: Make it possible to disable the block layer " Bodo Eggert
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