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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Shaya Potter <spotter@cs.columbia.edu>
Cc: "Josef 'Jeff' Sipek" <jsipek@cs.sunysb.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	hch@infradead.org, viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, torvalds@osdl.org,
	mhalcrow@us.ibm.com, David Quigley <dquigley@fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>,
	Erez Zadok <ezk@cs.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:02:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070108140224.3a814b7d.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1168291848.9853.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:30:48 -0500
Shaya Potter <spotter@cs.columbia.edu> wrote:

> On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 13:19 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:43:39 -0500 (EST) Shaya Potter <spotter@cs.columbia.edu> wrote:
> > >  It's the same thing as modifying a block 
> > > device while a file system is using it.  Now, when unionfs gets confused, 
> > > it shouldn't oops, but would one expect ext3 to allow one to modify its 
> > > backing store while its using it?
> > 
> > There's no such problem with bind mounts.  It's surprising to see such a
> > restriction with union mounts.
> 
> the difference is bind mounts are a vfs construct, while unionfs is a
> file system.

Well yes.  So the top-level question is "is this the correct way of doing
unionisation?".

I suspect not, in which case unionfs is at best a stopgap until someone
comes along and implements unionisation at the VFS level, at which time
unionfs goes away.

That could take a long time.  The questions we're left to ponder over are
things like

a) is unionfs a sufficiently useful stopgap to justify a merge and

b) would an interim merge of unionfs increase or decrease the motivation
   for someone to do a VFS implementation?

I suspect the answer to b) is "increase": if unionfs proves to be useful
then people will be motivated to produce more robust implementations of the
same functionality.  If it proves to not be very useful then nobody will
bother doing anything, which in a way would be a useful service.


Is there vendor interest in unionfs?

  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-08 22:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-08  4:12 [PATCH 00/24] Unionfs, try #4 Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 19:18   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 19:43     ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 20:24       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 21:32         ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 21:19       ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 21:30         ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 22:02           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-01-08 22:21             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 23:34             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:37             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  0:03             ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09  9:53               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:43                 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 10:47                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:48                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 17:28                 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-08 23:25         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  9:49           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:36             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-08 20:51     ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-08 21:53       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:00       ` Michael Halcrow
2007-01-08 23:45         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  0:19       ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2007-01-09  0:33         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  1:26           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-09  1:50             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 12:26       ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 16:39         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:04           ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 17:07             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:34         ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-10 16:12           ` Jan Kara
2007-01-10 20:15             ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-10 20:24               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-10 21:27               ` Jan Kara
2007-01-10 23:20             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-10 23:29               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-11  8:54                 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-08 23:15     ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 12:15       ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 16:30         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 16:41           ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 17:03             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:11               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 17:16               ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09 17:16             ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 22:02             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-11 14:29           ` unionfs unusable on multiuser systems (was Re: [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation) Pavel Machek
2007-01-12 14:17             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 02/24] lookup_one_len_nd - lookup_one_len with nameidata argument Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 03/24] Unionfs: Branch management functionality Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 04/24] Unionfs: Common file operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:28   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 05/24] Unionfs: Copyup Functionality Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 22:00     ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 06/24] Unionfs: Dentry operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 07/24] Unionfs: File operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 08/24] Unionfs: Directory file operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 09/24] Unionfs: Directory manipulation helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 10/24] Unionfs: Inode operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 11/24] Unionfs: Lookup helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 12/24] Unionfs: Main module functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 13/24] Unionfs: Readdir state Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 14/24] Unionfs: Rename Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 15/24] Unionfs: Privileged operations workqueue Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:27   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 16/24] Unionfs: Handling of stale inodes Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 17/24] Unionfs: Miscellaneous helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 18/24] Unionfs: Superblock operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 19/24] Unionfs: Helper macros/inlines Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:28   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 20/24] Unionfs: Internal include file Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 21/24] Unionfs: Include file Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 22/24] Unionfs: Unlink Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 23/24] Unionfs: Kconfig and Makefile Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 24/24] Unionfs: Extended Attributes support Josef 'Jeff' Sipek

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