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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Shaya Potter <spotter@cs.columbia.edu>
Cc: Josef Sipek <jsipek@fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>,
	Erez Zadok <ezk@cs.sunysb.edu>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Josef 'Jeff' Sipek <jsipek@cs.sunysb.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	hch@infradead.org, viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, torvalds@osdl.org,
	mhalcrow@us.ibm.com, David Quigley <dquigley@cs.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:54:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070111085453.GC27059@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45A576E7.1070808@cs.columbia.edu>

> Josef Sipek wrote:
> >On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 05:12:15PM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> >>  I see :). To me it just sounds as if you want to do remount-read-only
> >>for source filesystems, which is operation we support perfectly fine,
> >>and after that create union mount. But I agree you cannot do quite that
> >>since you need to have write access later from your union mount. So
> >>maybe it's not so easy as I thought.
> >>  On the other hand, there was some effort to support read-only 
> >>  bind-mounts of
> >>read-write filesystems (there were even some patches floating around but
> >>I don't think they got merged) and that should be even closer to what
> >>you'd need...
> >
> >Since the RO flag is per-mount point, how do you guarantee that no one is
> >messing with the fs? (I haven't looked at the patches that do per mount
> >ro flag, but this would require some over-arching ro flag - in the
> >superblock most likely.)
> 
> I thought about it, wrote an email, then cancelled it as it won't work.
> 
> what I thought was that you could a limited unionfs case would be with X 
> layers read-only and the top layer read-write, and what you would do is 
> dynamically make read only bind mounts for the the X layers and since 
> you control the top layer hide it from the system.
> 
> However, read only bind mounts are great if you want a limit a process 
> to accessing the files read-only, as they won't have access to the other 
> vfs_mounts, but it does nothing for the other vfs_mounts that are using 
> that same file system.  hence, does us no good.
  Right, you'd need to remount read-only all the mountpoints of one
filesystem. But if we had read-only bind-mounts, you could do such things
from userspace. It won't be 100% reliable (as it would be racy) but as a
basic protection against stupidity of admin it should work. And it would
be 100% safe against malicious intentions of average user (who has no
right to create new mountpoints).

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SuSE CR Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-11  8:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-08  4:12 [PATCH 00/24] Unionfs, try #4 Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 19:18   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 19:43     ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 20:24       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 21:32         ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 21:19       ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 21:30         ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 22:02           ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 22:21             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 23:34             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:37             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  0:03             ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09  9:53               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:43                 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 10:47                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:48                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 17:28                 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-08 23:25         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  9:49           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:36             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-08 20:51     ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-08 21:53       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:00       ` Michael Halcrow
2007-01-08 23:45         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  0:19       ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2007-01-09  0:33         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  1:26           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-09  1:50             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 12:26       ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 16:39         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:04           ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 17:07             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:34         ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-10 16:12           ` Jan Kara
2007-01-10 20:15             ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-10 20:24               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-10 21:27               ` Jan Kara
2007-01-10 23:20             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-10 23:29               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-11  8:54                 ` Jan Kara [this message]
2007-01-08 23:15     ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 12:15       ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 16:30         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 16:41           ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 17:03             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:11               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 17:16               ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09 17:16             ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 22:02             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-11 14:29           ` unionfs unusable on multiuser systems (was Re: [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation) Pavel Machek
2007-01-12 14:17             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 02/24] lookup_one_len_nd - lookup_one_len with nameidata argument Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 03/24] Unionfs: Branch management functionality Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 04/24] Unionfs: Common file operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:28   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 05/24] Unionfs: Copyup Functionality Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 22:00     ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 06/24] Unionfs: Dentry operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 07/24] Unionfs: File operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 08/24] Unionfs: Directory file operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 09/24] Unionfs: Directory manipulation helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 10/24] Unionfs: Inode operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 11/24] Unionfs: Lookup helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 12/24] Unionfs: Main module functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 13/24] Unionfs: Readdir state Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 14/24] Unionfs: Rename Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 15/24] Unionfs: Privileged operations workqueue Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:27   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 16/24] Unionfs: Handling of stale inodes Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 17/24] Unionfs: Miscellaneous helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 18/24] Unionfs: Superblock operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 19/24] Unionfs: Helper macros/inlines Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:28   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 20/24] Unionfs: Internal include file Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 21/24] Unionfs: Include file Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 22/24] Unionfs: Unlink Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 23/24] Unionfs: Kconfig and Makefile Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 24/24] Unionfs: Extended Attributes support Josef 'Jeff' Sipek

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