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From: David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>
To: Dave Kleikamp <shaggy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>,
	Valerie Henson <val_henson@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Can Sar <csar@stanford.edu>,
	Junfeng Yang <junfeng@gmail.com>,
	Dawson Engler <engler@csl.stanford.edu>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Fix(es) for ext2 fsync bug
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:32:44 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070214233244.GW44411608@melbourne.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1171488382.13092.5.camel@kleikamp.austin.ibm.com>

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:26:22PM -0600, Dave Kleikamp wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 07:31 +1100, David Chinner wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 11:54:54AM -0800, Valerie Henson wrote:
> > > Just some quick notes on possible ways to fix the ext2 fsync bug that
> > > eXplode found.  Whether or not anyone will bother to implement it is
> > > another matter.
> > > 
> > > Background: The eXplode file system checker found a bug in ext2 fsync
> > > behavior.  Do the following: truncate file A, create file B which
> > > reallocates one of A's old indirect blocks, fsync file B.  If you then
> > > crash before file A's metadata is all written out, fsck will complete
> > > the truncate for file A... thereby deleting file B's data.  So fsync
> > > file B doesn't guarantee data is on disk after a crash.  Details:
> > > 
> > > http://www.stanford.edu/~engler/explode-osdi06.pdf 
> > > 
> > > Two possible solutions I can think of:
> > > 
> > > * Rearrange order of duplicate block checking and fixing file size in
> > > fsck.  Not sure how hard this is. (Ted?)
> > > 
> > > * Keep a set of "still allocated on disk" block bitmaps that gets
> > > flushed whenever a sync happens.  Don't allocate these blocks.
> > > Journaling file systems already have to do this.
> > 
> > You don't need anything on disk or to fsck to fix this problem - just
> > avoid it completely by keeping a list of recently truncated blocks in
> > memory and don't reuse them until the old owner inode is sync'd to disk.
> 
> I think that's pretty much what Val is suggesting.  She suggests bitmaps
> rather than a list though.  Maybe she should have used a better term than
> "flushed", as this list only needs to be cleared, rather than written to
> disk.

Yeah, probably was - I misparsed the still allocated on disk block bitmaps
phrase differently to what may have been intended...

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
Principal Engineer
SGI Australian Software Group

  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-14 23:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-14 19:54 Fix(es) for ext2 fsync bug Valerie Henson
2007-02-14 20:31 ` David Chinner
2007-02-14 21:26   ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-02-14 23:32     ` David Chinner [this message]
2007-02-14 21:08 ` sfaibish
2007-02-15 14:20 ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-15 15:09   ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-02-15 15:59     ` sfaibish
2007-02-15 16:39       ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-02-15 17:15         ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-15 17:52           ` sfaibish
     [not found]         ` <21e789ec0702151111v4cb2aa8dqa168c886cb909c9@mail.gmail.com>
2007-02-15 19:26           ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-02-15 18:54       ` Dawson Engler
     [not found]         ` <21e789ec0702151118x1c6af801gd34981d72db0f5b2@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]           ` <21e789ec0702151128x744f61e5lb24d2da972af185a@mail.gmail.com>
2007-02-16  1:18             ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-20 21:13     ` Valerie Henson
     [not found]       ` <21e789ec0702201330x1c2706b7kcd055b97cb37e0e@mail.gmail.com>
2007-02-20 21:39         ` Valerie Henson
2007-02-20 21:47           ` Dawson Engler
2007-02-20 22:25           ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-02-20 21:30   ` Valerie Henson
2007-02-20 22:12     ` Erez Zadok

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