From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linux Filesystems <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Mark Fasheh <mark.fasheh@oracle.com>,
Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 12/44] fs: introduce write_begin, write_end, and perform_write aops
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:37:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070424103742.GA32738@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17965.46748.634169.563467@notabene.brown>
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 05:49:48PM +1000, Neil Brown wrote:
> On Tuesday April 24, npiggin@suse.de wrote:
> >
> > BTW. AOP_FLAG_UNINTERRUPTIBLE can be used by filesystems to avoid
> > an initial read or other sequence they might be using to handle the
> > case of a short write. ecryptfs uses it, others can too.
> >
> > For buffered writes, this doesn't get passed in (unless they are
> > coming from kernel space), so I was debating whether to have it at
> > all. However, in the previous API, _nobody_ had to worry about
> > short writes, so this flag means I avoid making an API that is
> > fundamentally less performant in some situations.
>
> Ahhh I think I get it now.
>
> In general, the address_space must cope with the possibility that
> fewer than the expected number of bytes is copied. This may leave
> parts of the page with invalid data. This can be handled by
> pre-loading the page with valid data, however this may cause a
> significant performance cost.
Right. Bringing the page uptodate at write_begin-time is probably
the simplest way to handle it. However, more sophisticated schemes
are possible. For example, the generic block routines can recover
at write_end-time, and probably can't make use of the flag to do
things much better...
> The write_begin/write_end interface provide two mechanism by which
> this case can be handled more efficiently.
> 1/ The AOP_FLAG_UNINTERRUPTIBLE flag declares that the write will
> not be partial (maybe a different name? AOP_FLAG_NO_PARTIAL).
> If that is set, inefficient preparation can be avoided. However the
> most common write paths will never set this flag.
Yes, loop, nfsd, and filesystem-specific pagecache modification
(eg. ext2 directories) are probably the main things that use it.
> 2/ The return from write_end can declare that fewer bytes have been
> accepted. e.g. part of the page may have been loaded from backing
> store, overwriting some of the newly written bytes. If this
> return value is reduced, a new write_begin/write_end cycle
> may be called to attempt to write the bytes again.
Yeah, although you'd have to be careful not to overwrite things if
the page is uptodate (because uptodate *really* means uptodate --
ie. it is the only thing we have to synchronise buffered reads from
returning the data to userspace).
>
> Also
> + write_end: After a successful write_begin, and data copy, write_end must
> + be called. len is the original len passed to write_begin, and copied
> + is the amount that was able to be copied (they must be equal if
> + write_begin was called with intr == 0).
> +
>
> That should be "... called without AOP_FLAG_UNINTERRUPTIBLE being
> set".
> And "that was able to be copied" is misleading, as the copy is not done in
> write_end. Maybe "that was accepted".
Thanks, very good eyes and good suggestions.
Actually I'm a bit worried about this copied vs accepted thing -- we've
already copied some number of bytes into the pagecache by the time write_end
is called. So if the filesystem accepts less and the pagecache page is marked
uptodate, then the pagecache is now out of sync with the filesystem. There
are a few places where it looks like we get this wrong... but that's for a
future patch :P
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-04-24 10:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-24 1:23 [patch 00/44] Buffered write deadlock fix and new aops for 2.6.21-rc6-mm1 Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:23 ` [patch 01/44] mm: revert KERNEL_DS buffered write optimisation Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:23 ` [patch 02/44] Revert 81b0c8713385ce1b1b9058e916edcf9561ad76d6 Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:23 ` [patch 03/44] Revert 6527c2bdf1f833cc18e8f42bd97973d583e4aa83 Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:23 ` [patch 04/44] mm: clean up buffered write code Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:23 ` [patch 05/44] mm: debug write deadlocks Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:23 ` [patch 06/44] mm: trim more holes Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 6:07 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-24 6:17 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:23 ` [patch 07/44] mm: buffered write cleanup Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:23 ` [patch 08/44] mm: write iovec cleanup Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:23 ` [patch 09/44] mm: fix pagecache write deadlocks Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:23 ` [patch 10/44] mm: buffered write iterator Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:23 ` [patch 11/44] fs: fix data-loss on error Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:23 ` [patch 12/44] fs: introduce write_begin, write_end, and perform_write aops Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 6:59 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-24 7:23 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 7:49 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-24 10:37 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-04-24 1:23 ` [patch 13/44] mm: restore KERNEL_DS optimisations Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 10:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-24 11:03 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 14/44] implement simple fs aops Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 15/44] block_dev convert to new aops Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 16/44] rd " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 10:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-24 11:05 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 11:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-24 11:16 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 11:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-24 11:20 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 11:42 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 17/44] ext2 " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 18/44] ext3 " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 19/44] ext4 " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 20/44] xfs " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 21/44] fs: new cont helpers Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 22/44] fat convert to new aops Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 23/44] adfs " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 24/44] affs " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 25/44] hfs " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 26/44] hfsplus " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 27/44] hpfs " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 28/44] bfs " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 29/44] qnx4 " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 30/44] nfs " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 31/44] smb " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 32/44] ocfs2: " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 33/44] gfs2 " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 34/44] fs: no AOP_TRUNCATED_PAGE for writes Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 35/44] ecryptfs convert to new aops Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 36/44] fuse " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 37/44] hostfs " Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 16:11 ` Jeff Dike
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 38/44] jffs2 " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 39/44] cifs " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 40/44] ufs " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 41/44] udf " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 42/44] sysv " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 43/44] minix " Nick Piggin
2007-04-24 1:24 ` [patch 44/44] jfs " Nick Piggin
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