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From: Valerie Henson <val_henson@linux.intel.com>
To: David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>
Cc: Amit Gud <gud@ksu.edu>, Nikita Danilov <nikita@clusterfs.com>,
	David Lang <david.lang@digitalinsight.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	riel@surriel.com, zab@zabbo.net, arjan@infradead.org,
	suparna@in.ibm.com, brandon@ifup.org, karunasagark@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] ChunkFS: fs fission for faster fsck
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:03:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070425230344.GC16129@nifty> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070425105434.GX32602149@melbourne.sgi.com>

On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 08:54:34PM +1000, David Chinner wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 04:53:11PM -0500, Amit Gud wrote:
> > 
> > The structure looks like this:
> > 
> >  ----------		----------
> > | cnode 0  |---------->| cnode 0  |----------> to another cnode or NULL
> >  ----------		----------
> > | cnode 1  |-----      | cnode 1  |-----
> >  ----------	|	----------	|
> > | cnode 2  |-- |      | cnode 2  |--   |
> >  ----------  | |	----------  |   |
> > | cnode 3  | | |      | cnode 3  | |   |
> >  ----------  | |	----------  |   |
> > 	  |  |  |		 |  |   |
> > 
> > 	   inodes		inodes or NULL
> 
> How do you recover if fsfuzzer takes out a cnode in the chain? The
> chunk is marked clean, but clearly corrupted and needs fixing and
> you don't know what it was pointing at.  Hence you have a pointer to
> a trashed cnode *somewhere* that you need to find and fix, and a
> bunch of orphaned cnodes that nobody points to *somewhere else* in
> the filesystem that you have to find. That's a full scan fsck case,
> isn't?

Excellent question.  This is one of the trickier aspects of chunkfs -
the orphan inode problem (tricky, but solvable).  The problem is what
if you smash/lose/corrupt an inode in one chunk that has a
continuation inode in another chunk?  A back pointer does you no good
if the back pointer is corrupted.

What you do is keep tabs on whether you see damage that looks like
this has occurred - e.g., inode use/free counts wrong, you had to zero
a corrupted inode - and when this happens, you do a scan of all
continuation inodes in chunks that have links to the corrupted chunk.
What you need to make this go fast is (1) a pre-made list of which
chunks have links with which other chunks, (2) a fast way to read all
of the continuation inodes in a chunk (ignoring chunk-local inodes).
This stage is O(fs size) approximately, but it should be quite swift.

> It seems that any sort of damage to the underlying storage (e.g.
> media error, I/O error or user brain explosion) results in the need
> to do a full fsck and hence chunkfs gives you no benefit in this
> case.

I worry about this but so far haven't found something which couldn't
be cut down significantly with just a little extra work.  It might be
helpful to look at an extreme case.

Let's say we're incredibly paranoid.  We could be justified in running
a full fsck on the entire file system in between every single I/O.
After all, something *might* have been silently corrupted.  But this
would be ridiculously slow.  We could instead never check the file
system.  But then we would end up panicking and corrupting the file
system a lot.  So what's a good compromise?

In the chunkfs case, here's my rules of thumb so far:

1. Detection: All metadata has magic numbers and checksums.
2. Scrubbing: Random check of chunks when possible.
3. Repair: When we detect corruption, either by checksum error, file
   system code assertion failure, or hardware tells us we have a bug,
   check the chunk containing the error and any outside-chunk
   information that could be affected by it.

-VAL

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-25 23:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-23 11:21 [RFC][PATCH] ChunkFS: fs fission for faster fsck Amit Gud
     [not found] ` <17965.6084 1.900376.524639@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
2007-04-23 16:28 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-04-23 15:25   ` Amit Gud
2007-04-23 16:32   ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-04-24 11:44 ` Nikita Danilov
2007-04-24 18:27   ` David Lang
2007-04-24 19:34     ` Nikita Danilov
2007-04-24 19:26       ` David Lang
2007-04-25 11:34         ` Nikita Danilov
2007-04-25 16:39           ` David Lang
2007-04-25 22:47           ` Valerie Henson
2007-04-26 14:14             ` Jeff Dike
2007-04-26 15:53               ` Amit Gud
2007-04-26 16:05                 ` Jeff Dike
2007-04-26 16:56                   ` Amit Gud
2007-04-27  4:58                   ` Valerie Henson
2007-04-27 15:06                     ` Jeff Dike
2007-05-01 17:26                       ` Valerie Henson
2007-04-26 16:11                 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-26 16:44                   ` Amit Gud
2007-04-24 21:53       ` Amit Gud
2007-04-25 10:54         ` David Chinner
2007-04-25 11:38           ` Andreas Dilger
2007-04-25 17:52             ` Amit Gud
2007-04-25 23:06             ` Valerie Henson
2007-04-25 23:03           ` Valerie Henson [this message]
2007-04-26  0:47             ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 22:21               ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-26  8:47             ` Jan Kara
2007-04-27  5:07               ` Valerie Henson
2007-04-27 10:53                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-28  6:50                   ` Valerie Henson
2007-04-28 10:03                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-25 22:43       ` Valerie Henson

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