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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Mingming Cao <cmm@us.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Amit K. Arora" <aarora@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com, suparna@in.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] ext4: fallocate support in ext4
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:52:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070508165259.GD6375@schatzie.adilger.int> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070508014337.GA14072@thunk.org>

On May 07, 2007  21:43 -0400, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 05:15:41PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Userspace could presumably repair the mess in most situations by truncating
> > the file back again.  The kernel cannot do that because there might be live
> > data in amongst there.
> 
> Actually, the kernel could do it, in that could simply release all
> unitialized extents back to the system.  The problem is distinguishing
> between the unitialized extents that had just been newly added, versus
> the ones that had there from before.  (On the other hand, if the
> filesystem was completely full, releasing unitialized blocks wouldn't
> be the worse thing in the world to do, although releasing previously
> fallocated blocks probably does violate the princple of least
> surprise, even if it's what the user would have wanted.)

I tend to agree with this.  Having fallocate() fill up the filesystem
is exactly what the caller asked.  Doing a write() hit ENOSPC doesn't
trucate off the whole write either, nor does "dd" delete the whole file
when the filesystem is full.

Even checking the statfs() space before doing the fallocate() may be
counter intuitive, since it will return ENOSPC but the filesystem will
not actually be full.  Some applications (e.g. database) may WANT to
fill the filesystem and then get the actual file size back to avoid
trusting statfs() because of metadata overhead (e.g. indirect blocks).

One of the design goals for sys_fallocate() was to allow FA_DELALLOC
to deallocate unwritten extents in a safe manner.

Cheers, Andreas
--
Andreas Dilger
Principal Software Engineer
Cluster File Systems, Inc.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-08 16:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 303+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20070117094658.GA17390@amitarora.in.ibm.com>
2007-02-07  7:48 ` Testing ext4 persistent preallocation patches for 64 bit features Amit K. Arora
2007-02-07  8:25   ` Mingming Cao
2007-02-07 10:36     ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-07 21:11       ` Andreas Dilger
2007-02-08  8:52         ` Amit K. Arora
2007-02-08 10:51     ` Amit K. Arora
     [not found] ` <20070225022326.137b4875.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
2007-03-01 18:34   ` [RFC] Heads up on sys_fallocate() Amit K. Arora
2007-03-01 19:15     ` Eric Sandeen
2007-03-02 10:45       ` Andreas Dilger
2007-03-02 13:17         ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-03-01 20:23     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-03-01 20:31       ` Jeremy Allison
2007-03-01 21:14     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 22:58       ` Alan
2007-03-01 22:05         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 23:11           ` Alan
2007-03-01 22:15             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-01 22:25     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-01 22:40       ` Nathan Scott
2007-03-01 22:39         ` Eric Sandeen
2007-03-01 22:52         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:28           ` Mingming Cao
2007-03-05 12:27             ` Jan Kara
2007-03-05 20:02               ` Mingming Cao
2007-03-06  7:28                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-06 14:36                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-03-06 14:47                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-06 14:50                     ` Jan Kara
2007-03-06 18:23                       ` Eric Sandeen
2007-03-07  8:51                         ` Jan Kara
2007-03-07 11:30                           ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-06 16:46                     ` Eric Sandeen
2007-03-13 23:46                       ` David Chinner
2007-03-05 21:41               ` Eric Sandeen
2007-03-01 22:41       ` Anton Blanchard
2007-03-01 22:44       ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-03-01 22:59         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-01 23:09           ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-03-02 13:41             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-03-02 18:09             ` Mingming Cao
2007-03-02  7:09           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-03-01 23:38         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-03 22:45           ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-03-04 20:11             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-03-04 20:53               ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-03-04 22:38               ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-03-04 23:22                 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-03-05 14:37                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-05 15:07                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-03-05 15:15                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-03-05 15:35                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-05 16:01                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-05 16:07                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-03-05  0:16                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-05  0:32                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-03-05  0:35                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-03-05  0:44                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-03-05 11:49                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-05 15:09                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-03-05  0:36                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-03-05 11:41                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-05 15:08                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-03-05 15:33                         ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-05 15:48                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-03-05 22:00                       ` Eric Sandeen
2007-03-05  4:23               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-05 13:18             ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-01 23:29     ` Eric Sandeen
2007-03-01 23:51       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-01 23:36     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-02  6:03     ` Badari Pulavarty
2007-03-02  6:16       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 13:23         ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-03-02 15:29           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-03-02 15:16       ` Eric Sandeen
2007-03-02 16:13         ` Badari Pulavarty
2007-03-02 17:01           ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:19           ` Eric Sandeen
2007-03-16 14:31     ` [RFC][PATCH] sys_fallocate() system call Amit K. Arora
2007-03-16 15:21       ` Heiko Carstens
2007-03-19  9:24         ` Amit K. Arora
2007-03-19 11:23           ` Heiko Carstens
2007-03-16 16:17       ` Heiko Carstens
2007-03-17  9:59         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-03-17 11:07           ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-03-17 14:30             ` Heiko Carstens
2007-03-17 14:38               ` Stephen Rothwell
2007-03-17 14:42                 ` Stephen Rothwell
2007-03-17 11:10         ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-03-21 12:04           ` Amit K. Arora
2007-03-21 21:35             ` Chris Wedgwood
2007-03-29 11:51             ` Interface for the new fallocate() " Amit K. Arora
2007-03-29 16:35               ` Chris Wedgwood
2007-03-29 17:01               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-03-29 17:18                 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-03-29 18:05                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-03-29 18:37                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-30  7:00                 ` Heiko Carstens
2007-03-29 17:10               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-30  7:14                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-03-30  8:39                   ` Heiko Carstens
2007-03-30  9:15                   ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-05 11:26                   ` Amit K. Arora
2007-04-05 11:44                     ` Amit K. Arora
2007-04-05 15:50                     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-04-06  9:58                     ` Andreas Dilger
2007-04-17 12:55                   ` Amit K. Arora
2007-04-18 13:06                     ` Andreas Dilger
2007-04-20 13:51                       ` Amit K. Arora
2007-04-20 14:59                         ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-24 12:16                           ` Amit K. Arora
2007-04-26 17:50                             ` [PATCH 0/5] fallocate " Amit K. Arora
2007-04-26 18:03                               ` [PATCH 1/5] fallocate() implementation in i86, x86_64 and powerpc Amit K. Arora
2007-05-04  4:29                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-04  4:41                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2007-05-09 10:15                                     ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-05-09 10:50                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2007-05-09 11:10                                         ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-05-09 11:37                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2007-05-09 12:00                                             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-05-09 12:05                                             ` Amit K. Arora
2007-05-04  4:55                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-04  6:07                                   ` David Chinner
2007-05-04  6:28                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-04  6:56                                       ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-05-07 13:08                                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-05-04  7:27                                       ` David Chinner
2007-05-07 11:10                                       ` Amit K. Arora
2007-05-07 11:03                                   ` Amit K. Arora
2007-05-09 16:01                                 ` Amit K. Arora
2007-05-09 16:54                                   ` Andreas Dilger
2007-05-09 17:07                                   ` Mingming Cao
2007-05-10  0:59                                   ` David Chinner
2007-05-10 11:56                                     ` Amit K. Arora
2007-05-10 22:39                                       ` David Chinner
2007-05-11 11:03                                         ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-05-12  8:01                                           ` David Chinner
2007-06-12  6:16                                             ` Amit K. Arora
2007-06-12  8:11                                               ` David Chinner
2007-06-13 23:52                                               ` David Chinner
2007-06-14  9:14                                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-06-14 12:04                                                   ` David Chinner
2007-06-14 19:33                                                     ` Andreas Dilger
2007-06-25 13:28                                                       ` [PATCH 0/6][TAKE5] fallocate system call Amit K. Arora
2007-06-25 13:40                                                         ` [PATCH 1/7][TAKE5] fallocate() implementation on i386, x86_64 and powerpc Amit K. Arora
2007-06-26 19:38                                                           ` Heiko Carstens
2007-06-25 13:42                                                         ` [PATCH 2/7][TAKE5] fallocate() on s390(x) Amit K. Arora
2007-06-26 15:15                                                           ` Heiko Carstens
2007-06-25 13:43                                                         ` [PATCH 3/7][TAKE5] fallocate() on ia64 Amit K. Arora
2007-06-25 13:45                                                         ` [PATCH 4/7][TAKE5] support new modes in fallocate Amit K. Arora
2007-06-25 15:03                                                           ` Amit K. Arora
2007-06-25 21:46                                                             ` Andreas Dilger
2007-06-26 10:32                                                               ` Amit K. Arora
2007-06-26 15:34                                                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-06-26 19:09                                                                   ` Amit K. Arora
2007-06-26 23:18                                                                   ` David Chinner
2007-06-28 18:19                                                                     ` Amit K. Arora
2007-06-28 23:39                                                                       ` Nathan Scott
2007-06-29  1:03                                                                       ` David Chinner
2007-06-30 10:21                                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-30 16:52                                                                   ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-03 10:08                                                                     ` Amit K. Arora
2007-07-03 10:31                                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-03 11:46                                                                         ` Amit K. Arora
2007-07-04  5:37                                                                           ` Timothy Shimmin
2007-07-11  9:04                                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-11  9:03                                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-12  7:28                                                                             ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-07-12  8:26                                                                               ` Amit K. Arora
2007-07-12 14:40                                                                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-12 13:13                                                                               ` David Chinner
2007-07-12 14:15                                                                                 ` Amit K. Arora
2007-07-01 22:55                                                                   ` David Chinner
2007-07-02 11:47                                                                     ` Amit K. Arora
2007-07-11  9:05                                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-26 23:14                                                               ` David Chinner
2007-06-27  3:49                                                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-06-27 13:36                                                                   ` David Chinner
2007-06-27 23:28                                                                     ` Nathan Scott
2007-06-28  0:39                                                                       ` David Chinner
2007-06-28  0:53                                                                         ` Nathan Scott
2007-06-30 10:26                                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-25 21:52                                                           ` Andreas Dilger
2007-06-26 10:45                                                             ` Amit K. Arora
2007-06-26 15:42                                                               ` Andreas Dilger
2007-06-26 19:12                                                                 ` Amit K. Arora
2007-06-26 23:32                                                                 ` David Chinner
2007-06-26 23:26                                                             ` David Chinner
2007-06-25 13:48                                                         ` [PATCH 5/7][TAKE5] ext4: fallocate support in ext4 Amit K. Arora
2007-06-25 13:49                                                         ` [PATCH 6/7][TAKE5] ext4: write support for preallocated blocks Amit K. Arora
2007-06-25 13:50                                                         ` [PATCH 7/7][TAKE5] ext4: support new modes Amit K. Arora
2007-06-25 21:56                                                           ` Andreas Dilger
2007-06-26 12:07                                                             ` Amit K. Arora
2007-06-26 16:14                                                               ` Andreas Dilger
2007-06-26 19:29                                                                 ` Amit K. Arora
2007-06-27  0:04                                                                   ` David Chinner
2007-06-28 18:07                                                                     ` Amit K. Arora
2007-06-26 23:15                                                         ` [PATCH 0/6][TAKE5] fallocate system call David Chinner
2007-06-28  9:55                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-28 17:36                                                           ` Mingming Cao
2007-06-28 17:57                                                           ` Amit K. Arora
2007-06-28 18:33                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-28 18:45                                                               ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-06-28 18:57                                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-29  7:20                                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-29 13:56                                                               ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-29 14:29                                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-29 17:42                                                                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-06-29 15:50                                                                 ` Mingming Caoc
2007-06-29 20:57                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-01  7:35                                                                     ` Ext4 patches for 2.6.22-rc6 Mingming Cao
2007-06-28 20:34                                                             ` [PATCH 0/6][TAKE5] fallocate system call Andreas Dilger
2007-06-30 10:14                                                   ` [PATCH 1/5] fallocate() implementation in i86, x86_64 and powerpc Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 18:07                               ` [PATCH 2/5] fallocate() on s390 Amit K. Arora
2007-04-26 18:11                               ` [PATCH 3/5] ext4: Extent overlap bugfix Amit K. Arora
2007-05-04  4:30                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-07 11:46                                   ` Amit K. Arora
2007-04-26 18:13                               ` [PATCH 4/5] ext4: fallocate support in ext4 Amit K. Arora
2007-05-04  4:31                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-07 11:37                                   ` Andreas Dilger
2007-05-07 20:58                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-07 22:21                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2007-05-07 22:38                                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-07 23:14                                           ` Theodore Tso
2007-05-07 23:31                                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-08  0:30                                               ` Mingming Cao
2007-05-07 23:02                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-07 23:36                                           ` Theodore Tso
2007-05-08  1:07                                           ` Andreas Dilger
2007-05-08  1:25                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-08  0:00                                       ` Mingming Cao
2007-05-08  0:15                                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-08  0:41                                           ` Mingming Cao
2007-05-08  1:43                                             ` Theodore Tso
2007-05-08 16:52                                               ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2007-05-08 17:46                                               ` Mingming Cao
2007-05-14 13:34                                       ` Jan Kara
2007-05-07 12:07                                   ` Amit K. Arora
2007-05-07 15:24                                     ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-05-08 10:52                                       ` Amit K. Arora
2007-05-08 14:47                                         ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-04-26 18:16                               ` [PATCH 5/5] ext4: write support for preallocated blocks/extents Amit K. Arora
2007-05-04  4:32                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-07 12:11                                   ` Amit K. Arora
2007-05-07 12:40                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2007-05-07 13:04                                   ` Amit K. Arora
2007-04-27 12:10                               ` [PATCH 0/5] fallocate system call Heiko Carstens
2007-04-27 14:43                                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-27 17:46                                   ` Heiko Carstens
2007-04-27 20:42                                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2007-04-30  0:47                               ` David Chinner
2007-04-30  3:09                                 ` [PATCH] ia64 fallocate syscall David Chinner
2007-04-30  3:11                                 ` [PATCH] XFS ->fallocate() support David Chinner
2007-04-30  3:14                                 ` [PATCH] Add preallocation beyond EOF to fallocate David Chinner
2007-04-30  5:25                                 ` [PATCH 0/5] fallocate system call Chris Wedgwood
2007-04-30  5:56                                   ` David Chinner
2007-04-30  6:01                                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2007-05-02 12:53                                   ` Amit K. Arora
2007-05-03 10:34                                     ` Andreas Dilger
2007-05-14 13:29                               ` [PATCH 0/5][TAKE2] " Amit K. Arora
     [not found]                                 ` <20070514142820.GA31468@amitarora.in.ibm.com>
2007-05-14 14:45                                   ` [PATCH 1/5][TAKE2] fallocate() implementation on i86, x86_64 and powerpc Amit K. Arora
2007-05-14 23:44                                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2007-05-15 13:23                                       ` Amit K. Arora
2007-05-14 14:48                                   ` [PATCH 2/5][TAKE2] fallocate() on s390 Amit K. Arora
2007-05-14 15:33                                     ` [PATCH 2/5][TAKE2] fallocate() on s390 - glibc wrapper Amit K. Arora
2007-05-14 14:50                                   ` [PATCH 3/5][TAKE2] ext4: Extent overlap bugfix Amit K. Arora
2007-05-14 14:52                                   ` [PATCH 4/5][TAKE2] ext4: fallocate support in ext4 Amit K. Arora
2007-05-14 14:54                                   ` [PATCH 5/5][TAKE2] ext4: write support for preallocated blocks Amit K. Arora
2007-05-15  6:31                                 ` [PATCH 0/5][TAKE2] fallocate system call Andreas Dilger
2007-05-15 12:40                                   ` Amit K. Arora
2007-05-15 19:37                               ` [PATCH 0/5][TAKE3] " Amit K. Arora
     [not found]                                 ` <20070515195421.GA2948@amitarora.in.ibm.com>
2007-05-15 20:03                                   ` [PATCH 1/5][TAKE3] fallocate() implementation on i86, x86_64 and powerpc Amit K. Arora
2007-05-16  0:42                                     ` Mingming Cao
2007-05-16 12:31                                       ` Amit K. Arora
2007-05-16  3:16                                     ` David Chinner
2007-05-16 12:21                                       ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-05-16 12:37                                         ` Amit K. Arora
2007-05-16 23:40                                         ` David Chinner
2007-05-17 12:10                                           ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-05-17 12:28                                           ` Amit K. Arora
2007-05-15 20:10                                   ` [PATCH 2/5][TAKE3] fallocate() on s390 Amit K. Arora
2007-05-15 20:13                                   ` [PATCH 3/5][TAKE3] ext4: Extent overlap bugfix Amit K. Arora
2007-05-15 20:16                                   ` [PATCH 4/5][TAKE3] ext4: fallocate support in ext4 Amit K. Arora
2007-05-15 20:18                                   ` [PATCH 5/5][TAKE3] ext4: write support for preallocated blocks Amit K. Arora
2007-05-15 23:52                                 ` [PATCH 0/5][TAKE3] fallocate system call Mingming Cao
2007-05-17 14:11                               ` [PATCH 0/6][TAKE4] " Amit K. Arora
     [not found]                                 ` <20070517141458.GA26641@amitarora.in.ibm.com>
2007-05-17 14:23                                   ` [PATCH 1/6][TAKE4] fallocate() implementation on i86, x86_64 and powerpc Amit K. Arora
2007-05-17 14:25                                   ` [PATCH 2/6][TAKE4] fallocate() on s390 Amit K. Arora
2007-05-17 14:25                                   ` [PATCH 3/6][TAKE4] fallocate() on ia64 Amit K. Arora
2007-05-17 14:26                                   ` [PATCH 4/6][TAKE4] ext4: Extent overlap bugfix Amit K. Arora
2007-05-17 14:29                                   ` [PATCH 5/6][TAKE4] ext4: fallocate support in ext4 Amit K. Arora
2007-05-17 14:30                                   ` [PATCH 6/6][TAKE4] ext4: write support for preallocated blocks Amit K. Arora
2007-05-19  6:44                                 ` [PATCH 0/6][TAKE4] fallocate system call Andrew Morton
2007-05-21  5:24                                   ` Mingming Cao
2007-03-30  7:19                 ` Interface for the new fallocate() " Heiko Carstens
2007-03-30  9:15                   ` Paul Mackerras
     [not found]                   ` <17932.54606.323431.491736@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2007-03-30 10:44                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-30 12:55                       ` Heiko Carstens
2007-04-09 13:01                       ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-09 16:34                         ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-17  5:33       ` [RFC][PATCH] sys_fallocate() " Stephen Rothwell
2007-03-19  9:30         ` Amit K. Arora
2007-03-17 14:53       ` Russell King

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