From: Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@suse.de>
To: Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>
Cc: jjohansen@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, chrisw@sous-sol.org,
Tony Jones <tonyj@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 21:06:28 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200705232106.28260.agruen@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070412101236.GD4095@ftp.linux.org.uk>
On Thursday 12 April 2007 12:12, Al Viro wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 02:08:10AM -0700, jjohansen@suse.de wrote:
> > This is needed for computing pathnames in the AppArmor LSM.
>
> Which is an argument against said LSM in current form.
The fundamental model of AppArmor is to perform access checks based on the
location of a file in the filesystem namespace, i.e., the pathname, and this
can only be done with both the dentry and vfsmount. My understanding was that
there was agreement at the last kernel summit that pathname based approaches
should be allowed.
> > - error = security_inode_create(dir, dentry, mode);
> > + error = security_inode_create(dir, dentry, nd ? nd->mnt : NULL, mode);
>
> is a clear sign that interface is wrong.
No. There are callers of vfs_create() that use a NULL nameidata, and that's
what causes the problem here. Struct nameidata is pretty big, and so we don't
want to allocate temporary nameidata objects all over the place. So to me the
above NULL check seems the lesser evil.
One way to deal with the nameidata size problem is to split it up into one
part for the real path lookups, and a much smaller part that only contains
the dentry, vfsmount, and intent flags. This would allow to pass around the
smaller nameidata much more consistently.
John has posted patches for that on May 14; subject [RFD Patch 0/4]. Feedback
appreciated.
In several places, the NULL nameidata is wrong because we can't check the
vfsmount flags or intent. Not having this information is causing problems for
nfs too for example -- it's not an AppArmor specific problem.
> Leaving aside the general idiocy of "we prohibit to do something with file
> if mounted here, but if there's another mountpoint, well, we just miss", an
> API of that kind is just plain wrong. Either you can live without seeing
> vfsmount in that method (in which case you shouldn't pass it at all), or you
> have a hole.
This is backwards from what AppArmor does. The policy defines which paths may
be accessed; all paths not explicitly listed are denied. If files are mounted
at multiple locations, then the policy may allow access to some locations but
not to others. That's not a hole.
In fact this is not much different from traditional permissions on parent
directories: even if the same files are mounted at several locations, parent
directory permissions may allow accessing only some of those locations.
Thanks,
Andreas
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-05-23 19:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 159+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-12 9:08 [AppArmor 00/41] AppArmor security module overview jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 16:11 ` [nameidata 1/2] Don't pass NULL nameidata to vfs_create Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 16:40 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-17 12:09 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-11 15:59 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:25 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-04-16 16:29 ` [nameidata 2/2] Pass no useless nameidata to the create, lookup, and permission IOPs Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 16:42 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-04-16 16:44 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:50 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-04-12 10:12 ` [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook Al Viro
2007-05-23 19:06 ` Andreas Gruenbacher [this message]
2007-05-24 1:28 ` James Morris
2007-05-24 9:16 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-24 12:51 ` [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSMhook Tetsuo Handa
[not found] ` <200705241112.41101.agruen@suse.de>
2007-05-24 13:19 ` [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook James Morris
2007-05-24 18:10 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-24 18:40 ` Al Viro
2007-05-24 21:56 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-24 18:58 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-25 4:14 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-25 5:17 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-05-25 17:43 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-25 18:10 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-05-25 18:13 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-05-25 19:06 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-26 1:40 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-05-26 12:10 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 22:58 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-27 1:33 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-05-25 20:00 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-25 20:27 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-26 5:27 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-05-26 13:34 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-26 14:05 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 18:41 ` James Morris
2007-05-26 5:20 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-26 11:46 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 12:09 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-05-26 13:41 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 14:44 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-05-26 16:52 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 18:16 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-26 18:45 ` [AppArmor 01/41] " James Morris
2007-05-26 23:08 ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-05-27 2:10 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-27 2:37 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-05-27 5:32 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-28 20:38 ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-29 2:00 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-27 7:25 ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-05-27 13:35 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-28 10:41 ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-05-29 1:54 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-29 21:17 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-05-30 5:52 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-05-24 14:40 ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-30 10:06 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-30 2:38 ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-05-27 8:34 ` Cliffe
2007-05-27 13:07 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-27 16:12 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-25 8:01 ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 02/41] Remove redundant check from proc_setattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 03/41] Remove redundant check from proc_sys_setattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:10 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 04/41] Pass struct file down to remove_suid and children jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 05/41] Add a vfsmount parameter to notify_change() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 06/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_setattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 07/41] Add struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_mkdir() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 08/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_mkdir LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 09/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_mknod() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 10/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_mknod LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 11/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_symlink() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 12/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_symlink LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 13/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_readlink " jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 14/41] Add struct vfsmount parameters to vfs_link() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 15/41] Pass the struct vfsmounts to the inode_link LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 16/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_rmdir() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 17/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_rmdir LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 18/41] call lsm hook before unhashing dentry in vfs_rmdir() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 19/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_unlink() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 20/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_unlink LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 21/41] Add struct vfsmount parameters to vfs_rename() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 22/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_rename LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 23/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_setxattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 24/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_setxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 25/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_getxattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 26/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_getxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 27/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_listxattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 28/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_listxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 29/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_removexattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 30/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_removexattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 31/41] Fix __d_path() for lazy unmounts and make it unambiguous; exclude unreachable mount points from /proc/mounts jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:58 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-15 17:40 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 21:57 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-17 1:35 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-17 17:21 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 0/7] Fixes to d_path: Respin Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 1/7] Fix __d_path() for lazy unmounts and make it unambiguous Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 9:32 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 2/7] Make d_path() consistent across mount operations Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 3/7] Add d_namespace_path() to compute namespace relative pathnames Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-21 12:57 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-04-21 16:16 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 4/7] Make getcwd() only return valid paths Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 5/7] Remove duplicate proc code Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 6/7] Filter out disconnected paths from /proc/mounts Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 9:34 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 7/7] Distinguish between connected and disconnected paths in d_path() Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 9:30 ` [d_path 0/7] Fixes to d_path: Respin Alan Cox
2007-04-20 11:45 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 15:15 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-20 15:21 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 15:24 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-20 16:40 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 19:17 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-20 20:44 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-21 19:04 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-21 19:46 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-22 9:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-22 15:48 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-17 6:30 ` [AppArmor 31/41] Fix __d_path() for lazy unmounts and make it unambiguous; exclude unreachable mount points from /proc/mounts Rob Meijer
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 32/41] Make d_path() consistent across mount operations jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 33/41] Add d_namespace_path() to obtain namespace relative pathnames jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:49 ` Al Viro
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 34/41] Enable LSM hooks to distinguish operations on file descriptors from operations on pathnames jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 35/41] Pass struct file down the inode_*xattr security LSM hooks jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 36/41] Export audit subsystem for use by modules jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 37/41] AppArmor: Main Part jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:37 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-13 8:17 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-13 8:48 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-13 8:52 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 38/41] AppArmor: Module and LSM hooks jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:21 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-16 21:37 ` John Johansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 39/41] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:28 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-12 13:46 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-15 14:21 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 6:27 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-16 20:56 ` John Johansen
2007-04-16 7:39 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-16 22:00 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-16 22:11 ` John Johansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 40/41] AppArmor: all the rest jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:32 ` Al Viro
2007-04-12 11:32 ` Al Viro
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 41/41] Add AppArmor LSM to security/Makefile jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:33 ` [AppArmor 00/41] AppArmor security module overview Shaya Potter
2007-04-12 13:50 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-13 8:04 ` Rob Meijer
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