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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [1/1] Block device throttling [Re: Distributed storage.]
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:53:31 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070829085331.GA16607@2ka.mipt.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200708281408.06618.phillips@phunq.net>

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 02:08:04PM -0700, Daniel Phillips (phillips@phunq.net) wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 August 2007 10:54, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 10:27:59AM -0700, Daniel Phillips (phillips@phunq.net) wrote:
> > > > We do not care about one cpu being able to increase its counter
> > > > higher than the limit, such inaccuracy (maximum bios in flight
> > > > thus can be more than limit, difference is equal to the number of
> > > > CPUs - 1) is a price for removing atomic operation. I thought I
> > > > pointed it in the original description, but might forget, that if
> > > > it will be an issue, that atomic operations can be introduced
> > > > there. Any uber-precise measurements in the case when we are
> > > > close to the edge will not give us any benefit at all, since were
> > > > are already in the grey area.
> > >
> > > This is not just inaccurate, it is suicide.  Keep leaking throttle
> > > counts and eventually all of them will be gone.  No more IO
> > > on that block device!
> >
> > First, because number of increased and decreased operations are the
> > same, so it will dance around limit in both directions.
> 
> No.  Please go and read it the description of the race again.  A count
> gets irretrievably lost because the write operation of the first
> decrement is overwritten by the second. Data gets lost.  Atomic 
> operations exist to prevent that sort of thing.  You either need to use 
> them or have a deep understanding of SMP read and write ordering in 
> order to preserve data integrity by some equivalent algorithm.

I think you should complete your emotional email with decription of how
atomic types are operated and how processors access data. Just to give a
lesson to those who never knew how SMP works, but create patches and
have the conscience to send them and even discuss.
Then, if of course you will want, which I doubt, you can reread previous 
mails and find that it was pointed to that race and possibilities to 
solve it way too long ago. 
Anyway, I prefer to look like I do not know how SMP and atomic operation
work and thus stay away from this discussion.

> --- 2.6.22.clean/block/ll_rw_blk.c	2007-07-08 16:32:17.000000000 -0700
> +++ 2.6.22/block/ll_rw_blk.c	2007-08-24 12:07:16.000000000 -0700
> @@ -3237,6 +3237,15 @@ end_io:
>   */
>  void generic_make_request(struct bio *bio)
>  {
> +	struct request_queue *q = bdev_get_queue(bio->bi_bdev);
> +
> +	if (q && q->metric) {
> +		int need = bio->bi_reserved = q->metric(bio);
> +		bio->queue = q;

In case you have stacked device, this entry will be rewritten and you
will lost all your account data.

> +		wait_event_interruptible(q->throttle_wait, atomic_read(&q->available) >= need);
> +		atomic_sub(&q->available, need);
> +	}

-- 
	Evgeniy Polyakov

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-29  8:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-31 17:13 Distributed storage Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-02 21:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03 10:26   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 10:57     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 12:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 13:49         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 14:53           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 19:48             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03 19:41           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04  1:19     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04 16:37       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05  8:04         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-05 15:08           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05 21:23             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06  8:25               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-07 12:05               ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-07 18:24                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-07 20:55                   ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-08  9:54                     ` Block device throttling [Re: Distributed storage.] Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-08 10:17                       ` [1/1] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-08 13:28                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-12 23:16                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  8:18                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-27 21:57                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  5:22                       ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  5:36                       ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  6:44                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  8:14                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:04                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 12:04                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 12:18                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 12:24                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13  8:23                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:18                           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 12:18                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 13:04                               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14  8:46                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 11:13                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 11:30                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 11:35                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 11:50                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 12:32                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 12:46                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 12:54                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-12 23:36                     ` Distributed storage Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  7:28                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13  7:45                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13  9:08                           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  9:13                             ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13  9:55                               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 10:06                                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 10:15                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 10:22                                     ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 10:32                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  9:18                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 10:12                               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 11:03                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:45                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  8:59                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  9:12                           ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 23:27                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03  4:09 ` Mike Snitzer
2007-08-03 10:42   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04  0:49   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03  5:04 ` Manu Abraham
2007-08-03 10:44   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04  2:51   ` Dave Dillow
2007-08-04  3:44     ` Manu Abraham
2007-08-04 17:03   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04  0:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04 16:44   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05  8:06     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-05 15:01       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05 21:35         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06  8:28           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found] ` <200708281027.59528.phillips@phunq.net>
     [not found]   ` <20070828175403.GA28440@2ka.mipt.ru>
     [not found]     ` <200708281408.06618.phillips@phunq.net>
2007-08-29  8:53       ` Evgeniy Polyakov [this message]
2007-08-30 23:20         ` [1/1] Block device throttling [Re: Distributed storage.] Daniel Phillips
2007-08-31 17:33           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-31 21:41           ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-09-02  4:42             ` Daniel Phillips

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