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From: mel@skynet.ie (Mel Gorman)
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Goswin von Brederlow <brederlo@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Joern Engel <joern@logfs.org>,
	andrea@suse.de, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Badari Pulavarty <pbadari@gmail.com>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@gmail.com>,
	swin wang <wangswin@gmail.com>,
	totty.lu@gmail.com, hugh@veritas.com
Subject: Re: [00/41] Large Blocksize Support V7 (adds memmap support)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:00:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070918100040.GB2035@skynet.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0709171458541.29993@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On (17/09/07 15:00), Christoph Lameter didst pronounce:
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007, Nick Piggin wrote:
> 
> > I don't know how it would prevent fragmentation from building up
> > anyway. It's commonly the case that potentially unmovable objects
> > are allowed to fill up all of ram (dentries, inodes, etc).
> 
> Not in 2.6.23 with ZONE_MOVABLE. Unmovable objects are not allocated from 
> ZONE_MOVABLE and thus the memory that can be allocated for them is 
> limited.
> 

As Nick points out, having to configure something makes it a #2
solution. However, I at least am ok with that. ZONE_MOVABLE is a get-out
clause to be able to control fragmentation no matter what the workload is
as it gives hard guarantees. Even when ZONE_MOVABLE is replaced by some
mechanism in grouping pages by mobility to force a number of blocks to be
MIGRATE_MOVABLE_ONLY, the emergency option will exist,

We still lack data on what sort of workloads really benefit from large
blocks (assuming there are any that cannot also be solved by improving
order-0). With Christophs approach + grouping pages by mobility +
ZONE_MOVABLE-if-it-screws-up, people can start collecting that data over the
course of the next few months while we're waiting for fsblock or software
pagesize to mature.

Do we really need to keep discussing this as no new point has been made ina
while? Can we at least take out the non-contentious parts of Christoph's
patches such as the page cache macros and do something with them?

-- 
Mel "tired of typing" Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-09-18 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-11  6:03 [00/41] Large Blocksize Support V7 (adds memmap support) Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 18:52 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 12:05   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-11 20:03     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 12:12   ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-10 21:13     ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 16:02       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-11 20:07     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 20:29       ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-11 20:41         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 23:26           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-12  0:04             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-12  8:20               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-15  8:44     ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-15 12:14       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-15 15:51         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-15 20:14           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-15 22:30             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-16 13:54               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-16 15:08                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-16 21:08                   ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-16 22:48                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-17  9:30                       ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-16 17:46               ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-16 18:15                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-16 18:21                   ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-16 18:44                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-16 22:51                       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-23 17:44                       ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-16 22:06                 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-16 22:40                   ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-16 18:15           ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-16 18:50             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-16 20:54               ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-16 21:31                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-17 10:13                   ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-23  5:50                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-16 22:56               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-18 19:31                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-23  6:56                   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-24 15:39                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-16 18:13         ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-16  9:03           ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-17 22:00             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-18  0:11               ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-18 20:36                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-18 10:00               ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2007-09-18 10:49                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-18 12:31                 ` David Chinner
2007-09-16 21:58           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-17 10:03             ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-23  6:22               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-24 12:32                 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-16 17:53       ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-16 21:31         ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-17 22:03         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 15:36   ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-11  1:44     ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 20:11       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  4:53         ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 20:42           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  5:30             ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 21:41               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:06                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 21:52                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 18:07                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-12 23:06                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-13 20:51                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-14 17:52                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-16  8:22                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-17 22:05                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-18  0:10                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-18 20:42                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-17 11:10                         ` Bernd Schmidt
2007-09-17 22:10                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-14 16:10                       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-14 17:42                         ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-15  0:31                           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-16 21:16                             ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-16 22:38                               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-17  8:57                                 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-23  6:49                                   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-11 20:53       ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-11  6:00         ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 21:48           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:17             ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-12  0:00               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-12  2:46                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-12 23:17                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-13  9:40                     ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-14  2:38                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-13 21:20                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-14 18:08                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-14 18:15                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-15  0:33                           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-16  8:53                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-17 22:21                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-18  1:16                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-18 18:30                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-18 17:53                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-18 19:18                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-18 19:44                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-19  0:58                                     ` Nathan Scott
2007-09-19  1:06                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-19  2:45                                         ` Nathan Scott
2007-09-19  5:09                                         ` David Chinner
2007-09-19  9:41                                           ` Alex Tomas
2007-09-19 14:04                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-20  1:38                                             ` David Chinner
2007-09-20 14:54                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-20 18:11                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-20 18:07                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-21 20:41                                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-09-24 21:13                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-28  2:46                                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-19  3:41                                     ` Rene Herman
2007-09-19  3:50                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-19  4:26                                         ` Rene Herman
2007-09-19  4:33                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-19  4:56                                             ` Rene Herman
2007-09-11 21:54             ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-12 14:29             ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-09-12  1:49           ` David Chinner
2007-09-11 15:27             ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-13  1:49               ` David Chinner
2007-09-12 17:23                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-13 13:03                   ` David Chinner
2007-09-13  2:01                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-13 20:48                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-17  4:07                         ` David Chinner
2007-09-16 21:13                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-12  2:01             ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 21:35         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 16:47     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-11 18:31       ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-11  2:26         ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 18:25           ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-09-11  3:05             ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 21:03           ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-11 19:20         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-11 20:19           ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-11 20:13       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 20:01   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  4:43     ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11  5:17     ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 21:27       ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-11  6:03 ` [01/41] Pagecache zeroing: zero_user_segment, zero_user_segments and zero_user Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:03 ` [02/41] Define functions for page cache handling Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:03 ` [03/41] Use page_cache_xxx functions in mm/filemap.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:03 ` [04/41] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/page-writeback.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:03 ` [05/41] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/truncate.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:03 ` [06/41] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/rmap.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:03 ` [07/41] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/filemap_xip.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:03 ` [08/41] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/migrate.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:03 ` [09/41] Use page_cache_xxx in fs/libfs.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [10/41] Use page_cache_xxx in fs/sync Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [11/41] Use page_cache_xxx in fs/buffer.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [12/41] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/mpage.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [13/41] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/fadvise.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [14/41] Use page_cache_xxx in fs/splice.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [15/41] Use page_cache_xxx in ext2 Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [16/41] Use page_cache_xxx in fs/ext3 Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [17/41] Use page_cache_xxx in fs/ext4 Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [18/41] Use page_cache_xxx in fs/reiserfs Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [19/41] Use page_cache_xxx for fs/xfs Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [20/41] Use page_cache_xxx in drivers/block/rd.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [21/41] compound pages: Better PageHead/PageTail handling Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [22/41] compound pages: Add new support functions Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [23/41] compound pages: vmstat support Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [24/41] compound pages: Use new compound vmstat functions in SLUB Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [25/41] compound pages: Allow use of get_page_unless_zero with compound pages Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [26/41] compound pages: Allow freeing of compound pages via pagevec Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [27/41] Large page order operations, zeroing and flushing Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [28/41] Futex: Fix PAGE SIZE assumption Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [29/41] Fix up reclaim counters Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [30/41] Add VM_BUG_ONs to check for correct page order Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [31/41] Large Blocksize: Core piece Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [32/41] Readahead changes to support large blocksize Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [33/41] Large blocksize support in ramfs Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [34/41] Large blocksize support for XFS Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [35/41] Reiserfs: Fix up mapping_set_gfp_mask() Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [36/41] 64k block size support for Ext2/3/4 Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [37/41] ext2: fix rec_len overflow for 64KB block size Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [38/41] ext3: fix rec_len overflow with " Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [39/41] ext4: fix rec_len overflow for " Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [40/41] Do not use f_mapping in simple_prepare_write() Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11  6:04 ` [41/41] Mmap support using pte PAGE_SIZE mappings Christoph Lameter

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