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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	cebbert@redhat.com, willy@linux.intel.com, clameter@sgi.com,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, hch@lst.de, mel@skynet.ie,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	suresh.b.siddha@intel.com
Subject: Re: SLUB performance regression vs SLAB
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:48:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071005064853.GI5711@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071004222356.GH23367404@sgi.com>

On Fri, Oct 05 2007, David Chinner wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 03:07:18PM -0700, David Miller wrote:
> > From: Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:47:48
> > -0400
> > 
> > > On 10/04/2007 05:11 PM, David Miller wrote:
> > > > From: Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:02:17
> > > > -0400
> > > > 
> > > >> How do you simulate reading 100TB of data spread across 3000 disks,
> > > >> selecting 10% of it using some criterion, then sorting and summarizing
> > > >> the result?
> > > > 
> > > > You repeatedly read zeros from a smaller disk into the same amount of
> > > > memory, and sort that as if it were real data instead.
> > > 
> > > You've just replaced 3000 concurrent streams of data with a single stream.
> > > That won't test the memory allocator's ability to allocate memory to many
> > > concurrent users very well.
> > 
> > You've kindly removed my "thinking outside of the box" comment.
> > 
> > The point is was not that my specific suggestion would be perfect, but that
> > if you used your creativity and thought in similar directions you might find
> > a way to do it.
> > 
> > People are too narrow minded when it comes to these things, and that's the
> > problem I want to address.
> 
> And it's a good point, too, because often problems to one person are a
> no-brainer to someone else.
> 
> Creating lots of "fake" disks is trivial to do, IMO.  Use loopback on
> sparse files containing sparse filesxi, use ramdisks containing sparse
> files or write a sparse dm target for sparse block device mapping,
> etc. I'm sure there's more than the few I just threw out...

Or use scsi_debug to fake drives/controllers, works wonderful as well
for some things and involve the full IO stack.

I'd like to second Davids emails here, this is a serious problem. Having
a reproducible test case lowers the barrier for getting the problem
fixed by orders of magnitude. It's the difference between the problem
getting fixed in a day or two and it potentially lingering for months,
because email ping-pong takes forever and "the test team has moved on to
other tests, we'll let you know the results of test foo in 3 weeks time
when we have a new slot on the box" just removing any developer
motivation to work on the issue.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-05  6:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-19  3:36 [00/17] [RFC] Virtual Compound Page Support Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [01/17] Vmalloc: Move vmalloc_to_page to mm/vmalloc Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [02/17] Vmalloc: add const Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [03/17] is_vmalloc_addr(): Check if an address is within the vmalloc boundaries Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  6:32   ` David Rientjes
2007-09-19  7:24     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-09-19  8:09       ` David Rientjes
2007-09-19  8:44         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-09-19  9:19           ` David Rientjes
2007-09-19 13:23             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-09-19 17:29           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19 17:52             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-09-19 17:29       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19 17:52         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [04/17] vmalloc: clean up page array indexing Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [05/17] vunmap: return page array Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  8:05   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-09-19 22:15     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-20  0:47       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [06/17] vmalloc_address(): Determine vmalloc address from page struct Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [07/17] GFP_VFALLBACK: Allow fallback of compound pages to virtual mappings Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [08/17] Pass vmalloc address in page->private Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [09/17] VFALLBACK: Debugging aid Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [10/17] Use GFP_VFALLBACK for sparsemem Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [11/17] GFP_VFALLBACK for zone wait table Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [12/17] Virtual Compound page allocation from interrupt context Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [13/17] Virtual compound page freeing in " Christoph Lameter
2007-09-18 20:36   ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-20 17:50     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [14/17] Allow bit_waitqueue to wait on a bit in a vmalloc area Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  4:12   ` Gabriel C
2007-09-19 17:40     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [15/17] SLUB: Support virtual fallback via SLAB_VFALLBACK Christoph Lameter
2007-09-27 21:42   ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-28 17:33     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-28  5:14       ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-01 20:50         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-02  8:43           ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-04 16:16           ` SLUB performance regression vs SLAB Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-04 17:38             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-04 17:50               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-04 17:58                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-04 18:26                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-04 20:48                 ` David Miller
2007-10-04 20:58                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-04 21:05                     ` David Miller
2007-10-04 21:11                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-04 18:32               ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-04 17:49                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-04 19:28                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-04 19:05                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-04 19:46                       ` Siddha, Suresh B
2007-10-04 20:55                     ` David Miller
2007-10-04 21:02                       ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-10-04 21:11                         ` David Miller
2007-10-04 21:47                           ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-10-04 22:07                             ` David Miller
2007-10-04 22:23                               ` David Chinner
2007-10-05  6:48                                 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2007-10-05  9:19                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2007-10-05  9:28                                     ` Jens Axboe
2007-10-05 11:12                                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-05 12:39                                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-10-05 19:31                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-05 19:32                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-05 11:56                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-05 12:37                                     ` Jens Axboe
2007-10-05 19:27                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-05 20:32                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-05 21:31                           ` David Miller
2007-10-04 21:05                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-05  2:43                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-05  2:53                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-09-28 17:55       ` [15/17] SLUB: Support virtual fallback via SLAB_VFALLBACK Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-28 18:20         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-28 18:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-28 18:41             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-28 20:22               ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-28 21:14               ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-28 20:59             ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-29  8:13             ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-29  8:47               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-29  8:53                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-29  9:01                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-29  9:14                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-29  9:27                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-28 20:19                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-29 19:20                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-29 19:09                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-30 20:12                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-30  4:16                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-29  9:00                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-01 20:55                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-01 21:30                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-01 21:38                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-01 21:45                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-01 21:52                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-02  9:19                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-29  8:45           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-01 21:01             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-02  8:37               ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-28 21:05       ` Mel Gorman
2007-10-01 21:10         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [16/17] Allow virtual fallback for buffer_heads Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  3:36 ` [17/17] Allow virtual fallback for dentries Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  7:34 ` [00/17] [RFC] Virtual Compound Page Support Anton Altaparmakov
2007-09-19  8:34   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-09-19 17:33     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-19  8:24 ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-19 17:36   ` Christoph Lameter

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