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From: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"George G. Davis" <gdavis@mvista.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC, PATCH] locks: remove posix deadlock detection
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:11:01 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071028201101.GA32359@parisc-linux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071028184052.49abd092@the-village.bc.nu>

On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 06:40:52PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> NAK. This is an ABI change. It was also comprehensively rejected before
> because
> 
> - EDEADLK behaviour is ABI

Not in any meaningful way.

> - EDEADLK behaviour is required by SuSv3

What SuSv3 actually says is:

	If the system detects that sleeping until a locked region is
	unlocked would cause a deadlock, fcntl() shall fail with an
	[EDEADLK] error.

It doesn't require the system to detect it, only mandate what to return
if it does detect it.

> - We have no idea what applications may rely on this behaviour.

I've never heard of one that does.

> so we need to fix the bugs - the lock usage and the looping. At that
> point it merely becomes a performance concern to those who use it, which
> is the proper behaviour. If you want a faster non-checking one use
> flock(), or add another flag that is a Linux "don't check for deadlock"

You can't fix the false EDEADLK detection without solving the halting
problem.  Best of luck with that.

-- 
Intel are signing my paycheques ... these opinions are still mine
"Bill, look, we understand that you're interested in selling us this
operating system, but compare it to ours.  We can't possibly take such
a retrograde step."

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-28 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20071017185157.GC3785@mvista.com>
     [not found] ` <20071018185759.GU3785@mvista.com>
     [not found]   ` <20071026170750.GC13033@fieldses.org>
     [not found]     ` <20071026224707.GO13033@fieldses.org>
2007-10-28 17:31       ` [PATCH] locks: fix possible infinite loop in posix deadlock detection J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-28 17:43         ` [RFC, PATCH] locks: remove " J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-28 18:27           ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-28 18:40             ` Alan Cox
2007-10-28 20:11               ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2007-10-28 21:38                 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-28 21:45                   ` Jiri Kosina
2007-10-28 23:38                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-28 23:44                     ` Alan Cox
2007-10-28 21:50                 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-10-28 22:41                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-28 22:48                     ` Alan Cox
2007-10-28 22:55                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-28 23:38                         ` Alan Cox
2007-10-29  2:29                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-29  8:08                             ` Alan Cox
2007-10-29  9:15                             ` Jiri Kosina
2007-10-30 15:35                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-28 22:55                     ` Jiri Kosina
2007-10-28 23:31                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-29  9:11                         ` Jiri Kosina
2007-10-29  2:10                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-29  3:26                     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-10-29  1:13               ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-29  8:06           ` Alan Cox
2007-10-30 15:51             ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-30 15:20         ` [PATCH, RESEND] locks: fix possible infinite loop in " J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-30 15:35           ` Alan Cox

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