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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] nfs: use ->mmap_prepare() to avoid an AB-BA deadlock
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:24:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071114222448.GE31048@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1195078730.7584.86.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>

On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 05:18:50PM -0500, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 22:50 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > Right, but I guess what Nick asked is, if pages could be stale to start
> > with, how is that avoided in the future.
> > 
> > The way I understand it, this re-validate is just a best effort at
> > getting a coherent image.
> 
> The normal convention for NFS is to use a close-to-open cache
> consistency model. In that model, applications must agree never to open
> the file for reading or writing if an application on a different NFS
> client already holds it open for writing.
> 
> However there is no standard locking model for _enforcing_ such an
> agreement, so some setups do violate it. One obvious model that we try
> to support is that where the applications are using POSIX locking in
> order to ensure exclusive access to the data when requires.
> 
> Another model is to rely rather on synchronous writes and heavy
> attribute revalidation to detect when a competing application has
> written to the file (the 'noac' mount option). While such a model is
> obviously deficient in that it can never guarantee cache coherency, we
> do attempt to ensure that it works on a per-operation basis (IOW: we
> check cache coherency before each call to read(), to mmap(), etc) since
> it is by far the easiest model to apply if you have applications that
> cannot be rewritten and that satisfy the requirement that they rarely
> conflict.

mmap()s can be different from read in that the syscall may have little
relation to when the data gets used. But I guess it's still a best
effort thing. Fair enough.

Thanks,
Nick

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-14 22:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-14 20:01 [PATCH 0/3] mmap vs NFS Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-14 20:01 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: pull mmap_sem into do_mmap{,_pgoff} Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-14 20:01 ` [PATCH 2/3] vfs: ->mmap_prepare() Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-14 20:01 ` [PATCH 3/3] nfs: use ->mmap_prepare() to avoid an AB-BA deadlock Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-14 21:22   ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-14 21:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-14 21:41       ` Trond Myklebust
2007-11-14 21:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-14 22:18           ` Trond Myklebust
2007-11-14 22:24             ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-11-14 22:53               ` Trond Myklebust
2007-11-14 20:19 ` [PATCH 0/3] mmap vs NFS Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-14 21:27 ` Trond Myklebust

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