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From: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
To: "Indan Zupancic" <indan@nul.nu>,
	"Tetsuo Handa" <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: david@davidnewall.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2] [RFC] Simple tamper-proof device filesystem.
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:05:31 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200712171605.31084.a1426z@gawab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54137.81.207.0.53.1197891890.squirrel@secure.samage.net>

Indan Zupancic wrote:
> On Mon, December 17, 2007 01:40, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> > So, use of this filesystem alone is meaningless because
> > attackers with root privileges can do what you are saying.
> > But use of this filesystem with MAC is still valid because
> > MAC can prevent attackers with root privileges from doing what you are
> > saying.
>
> If MAC can avoid all that, then why can't it also avoid tampering with
> /dev? What security does your filesystem add at all, if it's useless
> without a MAC doing all the hard work?

I think the answer is obvious:  Tetsuo wants to add functionality that the 
MACs are missing.  So, instead of adding this functionality per MAC, he 
proposes to add it as ground work, to be combined with any MAC.

> I think you can better spend your time on read-only bind mounts.

That would be too coarse.


Thanks!

--
Al


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-12-17 13:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20071216080441.435456586@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
     [not found] ` <20071216080628.061470932@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
2007-12-16 10:44   ` [patch 0/2] [RFC] Simple tamper-proof device filesystem Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 10:56     ` [patch 1/2] " Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-06 15:29       ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-18 15:55         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-12-18 16:43           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-16 11:21       ` David Newall
2007-12-16 11:26         ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 11:31           ` David Newall
2007-12-16 11:36             ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 11:58               ` David Newall
2007-12-16 12:03                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 12:14                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17  6:00                     ` David Newall
2007-12-18 15:33                       ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-12-16 16:52                   ` Indan Zupancic
2007-12-16 19:48                     ` Al Viro
2007-12-17  0:40                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17 11:44                       ` Indan Zupancic
2007-12-17 12:59                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17 13:05                         ` Al Boldi [this message]
2007-12-17 13:16                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-18 15:22                           ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-12-19 12:11                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-19 19:14                               ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-12-17 13:32                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17  6:42                     ` penguin-kernel
2007-12-17 19:48       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20071217194802.GA14156-6s5zFf/epYLPQpwDFJZrxKsjOiXwFzmk@public.gmane.org>
2007-12-18  0:03           ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-18  0:39             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18  1:39               ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-18  2:09                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18  3:04                   ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-19  9:43                     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-12-19 14:10                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-20  0:07                         ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-20  7:42                           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-12-20 14:09                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                             ` <476A1CE0.30505-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-12-21  1:47                               ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-19 14:13                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18  1:55               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18  2:26                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-18  2:53                   ` serge
2007-12-18  3:40                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-19 23:43       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-24 13:09         ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 11:03     ` [patch 2/2] " Tetsuo Handa

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