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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, chris.mason@oracle.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RFC] fast file mapping for loop
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:43:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080109094320.GA6258@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080109093107.GA5023@infradead.org>

On Wed, Jan 09 2008, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 09:52:32AM +0100, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > - The file block mappings must not change while loop is using the file.
> >   This means that we have to ensure exclusive access to the file and
> >   this is the bit that is currently missing in the implementation. It
> >   would be nice if we could just do this via open(), ideas welcome...
> 
> And the way this is done is simply broken.  It means you have to get
> rid of things like delayed or unwritten hands beforehand, it'll be
> a complete pain for COW or non-block backed filesystems.

COW is not that hard to handle, you just need to be notified of moving
blocks. If you view the patch as just a tighter integration between loop
and fs, I don't think it's necessarily that broken.

I did consider these cases, and it can be done with the existing
approach.

> The right way to do this is to allow direct I/O from kernel sources
> where the filesystem is in-charge of submitting the actual I/O after
> the pages are handed to it.  I think Peter Zijlstra has been looking
> into something like that for swap over nfs.

That does sound like a nice approach, but a lot more work. It'll behave
differently too, the advantage of what I proposed is that it behaves
like a real device.

I'm not asking you to love it (in fact I knew some people would complain
about this approach and I understand why), just tossing it out there to
get things rolling. If we end up doing it differently I don't really
care, I'm not married to any solution but merely wish to solve a
problem. If that ends up being solved differently, the outcome is the
same to me.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-09  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-09  8:52 [PATCH][RFC] fast file mapping for loop Jens Axboe
2008-01-09  9:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-01-09  9:43   ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2008-01-09 11:00     ` Chris Mason
2008-01-09 15:34 ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-10  8:43   ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-09 23:16 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-01-10  8:31   ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10  8:42     ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-11  7:39       ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-01-11  7:58         ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10 12:47     ` Chris Mason
2008-01-10 12:57       ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10 23:01         ` Neil Brown
2008-01-11 14:21           ` Chris Mason
2008-01-10  1:42 ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-10  8:34   ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10  8:37   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-01-10  8:44     ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10  8:54       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-01-10  9:01         ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10 12:53         ` Chris Mason
2008-01-10 13:03           ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10 13:46             ` Chris Mason
2008-01-10  9:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-10  9:49       ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10  9:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-10 10:02           ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10 10:20             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-11  1:25 ` Bill Davidsen
2008-01-11 18:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-01-11 18:23   ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-14 17:10 ` Chris Mason
2008-01-14 17:54   ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-15  9:25     ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-15  9:36       ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-15 10:07         ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-15 14:04           ` Chris Mason
     [not found] <95637914@web.de>
2008-01-09 23:53 ` Alasdair G Kergon

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