From: Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU>
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
Cc: Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>,
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>,
Valerie Henson <val@vahconsulting.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>, Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Parallelize IO for e2fsck
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:40:37 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080124234037.GJ15858@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080124230809.GA29120@does.not.exist>
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 01:08:09AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> In practice, there is a small number of programs that are both the
> common memory hogs and should be able to reduce their memory consumption
> by 10% or 20% without big problems when requested (e.g. Java VMs,
> Firefox and databases come into my mind).
I agree, it's only a few processes where this makes sense. But for
those that do, it would be useful if they could register with the
kernel that would like to know, (just before the system starts
ejecting cached data, just before swapping, etc.) and at what
frequency. And presumably, if the kernel notices that a process is
responding to such requests with memory actually getting released back
to the system, that process could get "rewarded" by having the OOM
killer less likely to target that particular thread.
AIX basically did this with SIGDANGER (the signal is ignored by
default), except there wasn't the ability for the process to tell the
kernel at what level of memory pressure before it should start getting
notified, and there was no way for the kernel to tell how bad the
memory pressure actually was. On the other hand, it was a relatively
simple design.
In practice very few processes would indeed pay attention to
SIGDANGER, so I think you're quite right there.
> And from a performance point of view letting applications voluntarily
> free some memory is better even than starting to swap.
Absolutely.
- Ted
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2008-01-24 17:32 ` [RFC] Parallelize IO for e2fsck Bodo Eggert
[not found] ` <E1JI5vz-0001GG-Vs@be1.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2008-01-24 22:07 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-24 23:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-01-24 23:40 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2008-01-25 0:25 ` Zan Lynx
2008-01-25 11:09 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-26 0:55 ` Zan Lynx
2008-01-26 11:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-01-25 18:03 ` Bryan Henderson
2008-01-25 23:01 ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-26 1:55 ` Bryan Henderson
2008-01-26 13:21 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-26 12:32 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
[not found] ` <2f11576a0801260432y4405d817p6ef4005d06189654@mail.gmail.com>
2008-01-26 13:55 ` Kernel Event Notifications (was: [RFC] Parallelize IO for e2fsck) Al Boldi
2008-01-26 16:01 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-01-28 23:23 ` Jon Masters
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2008-02-03 13:38 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
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2008-01-16 21:30 ` [RFC] Parallelize IO for e2fsck Valerie Henson
2008-01-18 1:15 ` David Chinner
2008-01-18 1:43 ` Valerie Henson
2008-01-21 23:00 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-22 3:38 ` David Chinner
2008-01-22 4:17 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-01-22 7:00 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-22 13:05 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20080122144052.GC17804@mit.edu>
[not found] ` <20080128193005.GC4032@ucw.cz>
2008-01-28 19:56 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-29 8:29 ` david
[not found] ` <20080128200105.GA4719@ucw.cz>
2008-02-03 13:51 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-01-22 7:05 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-22 8:16 ` David Chinner
2008-01-22 17:42 ` Bryan Henderson
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