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From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@logfs.org>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal for "proper" durable fsync() and fdatasync()
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:09:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080226140925.GB20428@lazybastard.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200802262016.11297.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>

On Tue, 26 February 2008 20:16:11 +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> 
> Yeah, sync_file_range has slightly unusual semantics and introduce
> the new concept, "writeout", to userspace (does "writeout" include
> "in drive cache"? the kernel doesn't think so, but the only way to
> make sync_file_range "safe" is if you do consider it writeout).

If sync_file_range isn't safe, it should get replaced by a noop
implementation.  There really is no point in promising "a little"
safety.

One interesting aspect of this comes with COW filesystems like btrfs or
logfs.  Writing out data pages is not sufficient, because those will get
lost unless their referencing metadata is written as well.  So either we
have to call fsync for those filesystems or add another callback and let
filesystems override the default implementation.

Jörn

-- 
There is no worse hell than that provided by the regrets
for wasted opportunities.
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-26 14:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-26  7:26 Proposal for "proper" durable fsync() and fdatasync() Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26  7:43 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-26  7:59   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26  9:16     ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-26 14:09       ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2008-02-26 15:07         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26 16:27           ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-26 15:28         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26 17:02           ` Jörn Engel
2008-02-26 17:29             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26 17:38               ` Jörn Engel
2008-02-26 16:43       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-26 17:00         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26 17:54           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-27 14:16             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26  7:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-26  7:55   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26  9:25   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-02-26 12:13   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-02-26 15:43     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-11-24 21:10       ` Sachin Gaikwad
2008-11-25 10:17         ` Jamie Lokier

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