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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Meelis Roos <mroos@linux.ee>,
	Linux Kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: file offset corruption on 32-bit machines?
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:26:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080411192656.GB4492@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080410142700.GC6725@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>

On Thu 2008-04-10 16:27:00, Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > 
> > > > Jeff Robertson analyzes the behaviour of different operating systems'
> > > > 64-bit file offset implementation and concludes that on 32-bit
> > > > machines, Linux and Solaris lack any locking to keep the two 32-bit
> > > > halves in sync and this could cause rare file offset corruption.
> > > > http://jeffr-tech.livejournal.com/21014.html
> > > AFAICS, this race is theoretically possible, but it is very hard (almost 
> > > impossible) to trigger with a sane file usage pattern. Note that you 
> > > have to access shared struct file (same file descriptor) in different 
> > > threads which should be synchronized by caller anyway (*).
> > 
> > ... but not in cases the caller is an intentionally evil code, right? :)
>   Yes.
> 
> > > I also don't see any security implications from this race, but maybe 
> > > someone with more knowlage about fs can see (f_pos is used at many 
> > > places in the kernel code).
> > 
> > The f_pos races are in fact exploitable, we've already been there. See 
> > for example http://www.isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0016-procleaks.txt
>   Well, this race is more subtle - the window is just one instruction
> wide (stores to f_pos from CPU2 must come between the store of lower and
> upper 32-bits of f_pos on CPU1). And the only result is that f_pos has
> 32-bits from one file pointer and 32-bits from the other one. So I can
> hardly imagine this would be exploitable...

Don't we have rlimit on max file size? I'd guess this could work
around it?
							Pavel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-11 19:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.SOC.4.64.0804081101430.28938@math.ut.ee>
2008-04-10 13:55 ` file offset corruption on 32-bit machines? Michal Hocko
2008-04-10 14:01   ` Jiri Kosina
2008-04-10 14:27     ` Jan Kara
2008-04-10 14:31       ` Jiri Kosina
2008-04-10 14:48         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-10 15:22           ` Jan Kara
2008-04-10 15:30             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-10 15:19         ` Jan Kara
2008-04-10 15:37           ` Michal Hocko
2008-04-10 15:56             ` Jan Kara
2008-04-10 16:03         ` Diego Calleja
2008-04-10 16:15           ` Jan Kara
2008-04-11 19:26       ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2008-04-14 16:25         ` Jan Kara
2008-04-10 14:31     ` Michal Hocko
2008-04-10 14:35       ` Jiri Kosina
2008-04-10 14:11   ` Martin Mares
2008-04-10 15:12     ` Jan Kara
2008-04-10 15:14     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-10 15:21       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-10 15:28       ` Jan Kara
2008-04-10 15:33   ` Andi Kleen
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     [not found] ` <ah5tY-3lR-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <ah5DA-3X9-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <ah5X5-4tl-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <ah66A-4Nk-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <ah7vN-7Wz-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2008-04-11 12:24           ` Bodo Eggert
2008-04-11 13:55             ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-11 16:59               ` Bryan Henderson
2008-04-11 17:15                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-11 21:29                   ` Bryan Henderson
2008-04-12  8:48                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-14 16:20               ` Jan Kara
2008-04-14 16:22                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-14 16:53                   ` Jan Kara
2008-04-14 16:54                     ` Alan Cox
2008-04-14 18:34                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-14 17:06                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-14 19:03                       ` Jan Kara
2008-04-14 19:29                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-14 19:42                           ` Jan Kara
2008-04-14 19:45                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-15  8:57                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-15 15:32                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-15 17:34                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-15 18:24                                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-15 19:12                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-15 19:49                                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-15 20:06                                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-15 20:28                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-16  8:15                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-16  8:20                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-16 10:54                                             ` Alan Cox
2008-04-16 13:57                                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-15 20:29                                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-15 22:11                                           ` Bryan Henderson
2008-04-16  9:40                                             ` Jamie Lokier

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