From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
Meelis Roos <mroos@linux.ee>,
Linux Kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: file offset corruption on 32-bit machines?
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:26:56 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080411192656.GB4492@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080410142700.GC6725@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>
On Thu 2008-04-10 16:27:00, Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, Michal Hocko wrote:
> >
> > > > Jeff Robertson analyzes the behaviour of different operating systems'
> > > > 64-bit file offset implementation and concludes that on 32-bit
> > > > machines, Linux and Solaris lack any locking to keep the two 32-bit
> > > > halves in sync and this could cause rare file offset corruption.
> > > > http://jeffr-tech.livejournal.com/21014.html
> > > AFAICS, this race is theoretically possible, but it is very hard (almost
> > > impossible) to trigger with a sane file usage pattern. Note that you
> > > have to access shared struct file (same file descriptor) in different
> > > threads which should be synchronized by caller anyway (*).
> >
> > ... but not in cases the caller is an intentionally evil code, right? :)
> Yes.
>
> > > I also don't see any security implications from this race, but maybe
> > > someone with more knowlage about fs can see (f_pos is used at many
> > > places in the kernel code).
> >
> > The f_pos races are in fact exploitable, we've already been there. See
> > for example http://www.isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0016-procleaks.txt
> Well, this race is more subtle - the window is just one instruction
> wide (stores to f_pos from CPU2 must come between the store of lower and
> upper 32-bits of f_pos on CPU1). And the only result is that f_pos has
> 32-bits from one file pointer and 32-bits from the other one. So I can
> hardly imagine this would be exploitable...
Don't we have rlimit on max file size? I'd guess this could work
around it?
Pavel
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2008-04-10 13:55 ` file offset corruption on 32-bit machines? Michal Hocko
2008-04-10 14:01 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-04-10 14:27 ` Jan Kara
2008-04-10 14:31 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-04-10 14:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-10 15:22 ` Jan Kara
2008-04-10 15:30 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-10 15:19 ` Jan Kara
2008-04-10 15:37 ` Michal Hocko
2008-04-10 15:56 ` Jan Kara
2008-04-10 16:03 ` Diego Calleja
2008-04-10 16:15 ` Jan Kara
2008-04-11 19:26 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2008-04-14 16:25 ` Jan Kara
2008-04-10 14:31 ` Michal Hocko
2008-04-10 14:35 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-04-10 14:11 ` Martin Mares
2008-04-10 15:12 ` Jan Kara
2008-04-10 15:14 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-10 15:21 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-10 15:28 ` Jan Kara
2008-04-10 15:33 ` Andi Kleen
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2008-04-11 12:24 ` Bodo Eggert
2008-04-11 13:55 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-11 16:59 ` Bryan Henderson
2008-04-11 17:15 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-11 21:29 ` Bryan Henderson
2008-04-12 8:48 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-14 16:20 ` Jan Kara
2008-04-14 16:22 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-14 16:53 ` Jan Kara
2008-04-14 16:54 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-14 18:34 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-14 17:06 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-14 19:03 ` Jan Kara
2008-04-14 19:29 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-14 19:42 ` Jan Kara
2008-04-14 19:45 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-15 8:57 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-15 15:32 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-15 17:34 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-15 18:24 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-15 19:12 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-15 19:49 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-15 20:06 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-15 20:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-16 8:15 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-16 8:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-16 10:54 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-16 13:57 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-15 20:29 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-15 22:11 ` Bryan Henderson
2008-04-16 9:40 ` Jamie Lokier
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