From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
Sage Weil <sage@newdream.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: POHMELFS high performance network filesystem. Transactions, failover, performance.
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:38:25 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080514213825.GC23758@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <482B37F6.3080400@garzik.org>
Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Jamie Lokier wrote:
> >Look up "one-phase commit" or even "zero-phase commit". (The
> >terminology is cheating a bit.) As I've understood it, all commit
> >protocols have a step where each node guarantees it can commit if
> >asked and node failure at that point does not invalidate the guarantee
> >if the node recovers (if it can't maintain the guarantee, the node
> >doesn't recover in a technical sense and a higher level protocol may
> >reintegrate the node). One/zero-phase commit extends that to
> >guaranteeing a certain amounts and types of data can be written before
> >it knows what the data is, so write messages within that window are
> >sufficient for global commits. Guarantees can be acquired
> >asynchronously in advance of need, and can have time and other limits.
> >These guarantees are no different in principle from the 1-bit
> >guarantee offered by the "can you commit" phase of other commit
> >protocols, so they aren't as weak as they seem.
>
> For several common Paxos usages, you can obtain consensus guarantees
> well in advance of actually needing that guarantee, making the entire
> process quite a bit more async and parallel.
>
> Sort of a "write ahead" for consensus.
That's a lovely concise summary.
It seems all the classical texts on two-phase commit have made it
over-complicated all along. "write ahead consensus" is both faster
and simpler in many respects.
-- Jamie
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-14 21:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-13 17:45 POHMELFS high performance network filesystem. Transactions, failover, performance Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-13 19:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-13 20:51 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 0:52 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 1:16 ` Florian Wiessner
2008-05-14 8:10 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 7:57 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 13:35 ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 13:52 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 14:31 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 15:00 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 19:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 19:32 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 20:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:19 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 21:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:32 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 21:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:43 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 22:02 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 22:28 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 22:45 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-15 1:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-15 7:34 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 19:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:38 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2008-05-14 19:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 19:38 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 21:57 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 22:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 22:41 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 22:50 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 22:32 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 14:09 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 16:09 ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 19:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:19 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 18:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 20:00 ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 21:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 22:26 ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 22:35 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 6:33 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-14 7:40 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 8:01 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-14 8:31 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 8:08 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 13:41 ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 13:56 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 17:56 ` Andrew Morton
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