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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
Cc: Sage Weil <sage@newdream.net>, Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: POHMELFS high performance network filesystem. Transactions, failover, performance.
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:28:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080514222837.GF23758@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080514220252.GA14378@2ka.mipt.ru>

Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> > Look up Bittorrent, and bandwidth diffusion generally.  Also look up
> > multicast trees.
> > 
> > Sometimes it's faster for a client to send to many servers; sometimes
> > it's faster to send fewer and have them relayed by intermediaries -
> > because every packet takes time to transmit, and network topologies
> > aren't always homogenous or symmetric.
> > 
> > There is no simple answer which is optimal for all networks.
> 
> Yep, having multiple connections is worse for high-performance networks
> and is a great win for long latency links.

Not just long latency.  If you have a low latency link which is very
busy, perhaps a client doing lots of requests, or doing other things,
that pushes up the _effective_ latency.

> > If you have a single data forwarder elected per client, then if one
> > client generates a lot of traffic, you concentrate a lot of traffic to
> > one network link and one CPU.  Sometimes it's better to elect several
> > leaders per client, and hash requests onto them.  You diffuse CPU and
> > traffic, but reduce opportunities to aggregate transactions into fewer
> > message.  It's an interesting problem, again probably with different
> > optimal results for different networks.
> 
> Probably idea I described in other mail to Jeff, when client just
> connects to number of servers and can process command of adding/dropping
> server from that group, and balances reading between them and sends
> writes/metadata update to all of them, and all logic behind that group
> selection is hidded in the servers cloud, is the best choice...

I think that's a fine choice, but it doesn't solve difficult
problems.  You still have to implement the server cloud. :-)

It's possible that implementing server cloud protocol _and_ simple
client protocol may be more work than just server cloud protocol.  I'm
not sure.  Thoughts welcome.

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-14 22:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-13 17:45 POHMELFS high performance network filesystem. Transactions, failover, performance Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-13 19:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-13 20:51   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14  0:52     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14  1:16       ` Florian Wiessner
2008-05-14  8:10         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14  7:57       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 13:35     ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 13:52       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 14:31         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 15:00           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 19:08             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 19:32               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 20:37                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:19                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 21:34                     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:32             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 21:37               ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:43                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 22:02               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 22:28                 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2008-05-14 22:45                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-15  1:10                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-15  7:34                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 19:05           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:38             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 19:03         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 19:38           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 21:57             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 22:06               ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 22:41                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 22:50                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 22:32               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 14:09       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 16:09         ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 19:11           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:19           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 18:24       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 20:00         ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 21:49           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 22:26             ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 22:35               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14  6:33 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-14  7:40   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14  8:01     ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-14  8:31       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14  8:08     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 13:41       ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 13:56         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 17:56         ` Andrew Morton

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