From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>,
linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0 of 3] [RFC] I/O Hints
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:02:05 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080606140205.GF19246@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq1od6fml2q.fsf@sermon.lab.mkp.net>
Martin K. Petersen wrote:
> The phys_off value I export for the MD device is the offset for the
> first device. But that does not imply that the other devices in the
> stripe have the same alignment.
There are setups where the offsets of subdevices are modulo-aligned
well for performance, and when they aren't.
When they conflict for poor performance, it's useful to be informed.
> I considered taking an approach similar to blk_queue_stack_limits()
> where you clamp using the existing values as you add more devices.
Makes some sense.
> The downside to that is that you really want to let the user know that
> there's a potential problem.
As long as the measurement presented is one which looks worse and
worse when you combine subdevices, they will see from the bad-looking
value. A flag is a nice bonus, but the main thing is, e.g. "the
largest combined stripe size for the device is 8 sectors" due to
poor offset skew, instead of 1024 sectors, say.
> And requiring the user to scrounge
> through syslog to look for complaints isn't so happening. I'd much
> rather do that in libdisk where it's easy to print a message about
> "Suboptimal layout, proceed with caution".
I agree, that is good.
Where it is due to specific values being not exactly right - like the
subdevice offset (or modulo-offset) in MD because it doesn't represent
all subdevices - it would be good for the info to have flags saying
which _specific_ values are not exactly right.
So that programs can choose their heuristics appropriately. After
all, users will use suboptimal layouts, and still want the best
performance it can do.
-- Jamie
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-06-06 14:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-06-05 5:22 [PATCH 0 of 3] [RFC] I/O Hints Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-05 5:22 ` [PATCH 1 of 3] block: Export I/O hints for block devices and partitions Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-05 14:42 ` James Bottomley
2008-06-06 1:18 ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-06 14:21 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-05 5:22 ` [PATCH 2 of 3] md: Export preferred I/O sizes and physical alignment Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-05 5:22 ` [PATCH 3 of 3] sd: Export preferred I/O sizes Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-05 11:25 ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-06-05 6:27 ` [PATCH 0 of 3] [RFC] I/O Hints Andreas Dilger
2008-06-05 10:32 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-05 12:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-05 17:02 ` Dan Williams
2008-06-06 1:03 ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-06 14:02 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2008-06-06 16:48 ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-09 10:47 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-10 2:17 ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-05 10:40 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-05 19:19 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-06-06 12:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-06 1:16 ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-06 4:51 ` Dave Chinner
2008-06-06 16:53 ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-07 20:54 ` Dave Chinner
2008-06-09 15:05 ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-06 12:52 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-06 14:26 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-06 16:56 ` Martin K. Petersen
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