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From: Alasdair G Kergon <agk@redhat.com>
To: Takashi Sato <t-sato@yk.jp.nec.com>
Cc: axboe@kernel.dk, mtk.manpages@googlemail.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	dm-devel@redhat.com, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:47:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080703124709.GI22522@agk.fab.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9942A69CB65D4A41B39F36AF8EEF6F22@nsl.ad.nec.co.jp>

On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 09:11:05PM +0900, Takashi Sato wrote:
> If the freezer accesses the frozen filesystem and causes a deadlock,
> the above ideas can't solve it

But you could also say that if the 'freezer' process accesses the frozen
filesystem and deadlocks then that's just a bug and that userspace code
should be fixed and there's no need to introduce the complexity of a
timeout parameter.

> >Similarly if a device-mapper device is involved, how should the following
> >sequence behave - A, B or C?
> >
> >1. dmsetup suspend (freezes)
> >2. FIFREEZE
> >3. FITHAW
> >4. dmsetup resume (thaws)
> [...]
> >C:
> > 1 succeeds, freezes
> > 2 fails, remains frozen
> > 3 fails (because device-mapper owns the freeze/thaw), remains frozen
> > 4 succeeds, thaws
> 
> I think C is appropriate and the following change makes it possible.
> How do you think?
 
The point I'm trying to make here is:
  Under what real-world circumstances might multiple concurrent freezing
  attempts occur, and which of A, B or C (or other variations) would be
  the most appropriate way of handling such situations?

A common example is people running xfs_freeze followed by an lvm command
which also attempts to freeze the filesystem.

I can see a case for B or C, but personally I prefer A:

> > 1 succeeds, freezes
> > 2 succeeds, remains frozen
> > 3 succeeds, remains frozen
> > 4 succeeds, thaws

Alasdair
-- 
agk@redhat.com

  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-03 12:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-30 12:24 [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature Takashi Sato
2008-07-01  8:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-01 10:52   ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-07-03 12:11     ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-03 12:47       ` Alasdair G Kergon [this message]
2008-07-03 22:11         ` [dm-devel] " Dave Chinner
2008-07-04 12:08           ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-03 14:45       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-07-07 11:07   ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:10     ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-08 23:20       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]       ` <20080708232031.GE18195@elf.ucw.cz>
2008-07-09  0:52         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  1:09           ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]           ` <20080709010922.GE9957@mit.edu>
2008-07-09  4:21             ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09  6:13             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:16               ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-09  6:22                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:41                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:48                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:55                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  7:08                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 20:48                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09  7:13                         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:09                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 11:49                             ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]                             ` <20080709114958.GV11558@disturbed>
2008-07-09 12:24                               ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                               ` <20080709122401.GK9957@mit.edu>
2008-07-09 12:59                                 ` Olaf Frączyk
2008-07-09 13:57                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:55                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:58                               ` jim owens
2008-07-09 14:13                                 ` jim owens
2008-07-13 12:06                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-13 17:15                                   ` jim owens
2008-07-14  6:36                                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-14 13:17                                       ` jim owens
2008-07-14 13:12                                 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-14 14:04                                   ` jim owens
2008-07-09 13:53                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:59                     ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  7:13                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  7:33                         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  8:11                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 11:15                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 20:44           ` Pavel Machek

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