From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: jim owens <jowens@hp.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, mfasheh@suse.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Fiemap, an extent mapping ioctl - round 2
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:17:32 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080703151731.GD1390@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <486CE430.9010902@hp.com>
jim owens wrote:
> FIEMAP_EXTENT_NO_BYPASS
>
> As in "you can't bypass the filesystem" to directly access it.
Can we also commit to this, when FIEMAP_EXTENT_NO_BYPASS is *not* set:
1. The data at fe_physical, and *will not move* so long as nothing
modifies *that particular file*?
2. Both reading *and writing* the file bypassing the filesystem are ok.
The reason for 1 is that some filesystems may move data when _other_
files are modified. Heck, they may do so when other files are simply
read, or at some random whim. Those filesystems would set
FIEMAP_EXTENT_NO_BYPASS (except for files with chattr 't'), because
fe_physical does not correspond to a *stable* location which a program
can subsequently use.
The reason for 2 is that some filesystems checksum the data and/or
replicate it, and won't be readable if you write to it directly.
In both these cases, O_DIRECT may *sometimes* work even though
directly accessing the physical device is unreliable. So
FIEMAP_EXTENT_NO_BYPASS may be treated as "access the file through the
filesystem, use O_DIRECT if you still want direct access, and fall
back to ordinary file access if that doesn't work".
-- Jamie
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-07-03 15:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-06-25 22:18 [PATCH 0/4] Fiemap, an extent mapping ioctl - round 2 Mark Fasheh
2008-06-26 3:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-06-26 9:36 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-26 10:24 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-06-26 11:37 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2008-06-26 12:19 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-26 13:16 ` Dave Chinner
2008-06-26 13:27 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-26 13:48 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-06-26 14:16 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-26 16:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-06-29 19:12 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2008-06-29 21:45 ` Dave Chinner
2008-06-30 22:57 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-30 23:07 ` Mark Fasheh
2008-07-01 2:01 ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-02 6:38 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-07-02 6:33 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-07-02 14:26 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-26 17:17 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-06-26 14:03 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-06-27 1:41 ` Dave Chinner
2008-06-27 9:41 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-27 10:01 ` Dave Chinner
2008-06-27 10:32 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-27 22:48 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-06-28 4:21 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-07-02 6:26 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-07-02 14:28 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-02 21:20 ` Mark Fasheh
2008-07-03 14:45 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-26 14:04 ` Dave Kleikamp
2008-06-26 14:15 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-06-26 14:27 ` Dave Kleikamp
2008-07-02 23:48 ` jim owens
2008-07-03 11:17 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-03 12:11 ` jim owens
2008-07-03 22:51 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-04 8:31 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-07-04 12:13 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-07 7:40 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-07 16:53 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-07 22:51 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-07 21:16 ` jim owens
2008-07-08 3:01 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-07 22:02 ` jim owens
2008-07-09 2:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-03 12:21 ` jim owens
2008-07-03 12:42 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-04 20:32 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2008-07-05 10:49 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-05 21:44 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2008-07-07 23:01 ` jim owens
2008-07-08 1:51 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-08 13:02 ` jim owens
2008-07-08 14:03 ` jim owens
2008-07-08 14:39 ` jim owens
2008-07-08 14:30 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 1:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-26 17:01 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-07-03 14:37 ` jim owens
2008-07-03 15:17 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2008-07-04 8:49 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-07-04 11:28 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-03 23:00 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-04 9:00 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-07-07 23:28 ` jim owens
2008-07-09 1:53 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-09 15:01 ` jim owens
2008-07-08 0:06 ` jim owens
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