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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: jim owens <jowens@hp.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, mfasheh@suse.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Fiemap, an extent mapping ioctl - round 2
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:17:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080703151731.GD1390@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <486CE430.9010902@hp.com>

jim owens wrote:
>   FIEMAP_EXTENT_NO_BYPASS
> 
> As in "you can't bypass the filesystem" to directly access it.

Can we also commit to this, when FIEMAP_EXTENT_NO_BYPASS is *not* set:

   1. The data at fe_physical, and *will not move* so long as nothing
      modifies *that particular file*?

   2. Both reading *and writing* the file bypassing the filesystem are ok.

The reason for 1 is that some filesystems may move data when _other_
files are modified.  Heck, they may do so when other files are simply
read, or at some random whim.  Those filesystems would set
FIEMAP_EXTENT_NO_BYPASS (except for files with chattr 't'), because
fe_physical does not correspond to a *stable* location which a program
can subsequently use.

The reason for 2 is that some filesystems checksum the data and/or
replicate it, and won't be readable if you write to it directly.

In both these cases, O_DIRECT may *sometimes* work even though
directly accessing the physical device is unreliable.  So
FIEMAP_EXTENT_NO_BYPASS may be treated as "access the file through the
filesystem, use O_DIRECT if you still want direct access, and fall
back to ordinary file access if that doesn't work".


-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-03 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-25 22:18 [PATCH 0/4] Fiemap, an extent mapping ioctl - round 2 Mark Fasheh
2008-06-26  3:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-06-26  9:36 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-26 10:24   ` Andreas Dilger
2008-06-26 11:37     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2008-06-26 12:19     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-26 13:16       ` Dave Chinner
2008-06-26 13:27         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-26 13:48         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-06-26 14:16           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-26 16:56             ` Andreas Dilger
2008-06-29 19:12               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2008-06-29 21:45                 ` Dave Chinner
2008-06-30 22:57                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-30 23:07                     ` Mark Fasheh
2008-07-01  2:01                       ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-02  6:38                         ` Andreas Dilger
2008-07-02  6:33                 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-07-02 14:26                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-26 17:17       ` Andreas Dilger
2008-06-26 14:03 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-06-27  1:41   ` Dave Chinner
2008-06-27  9:41     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-27 10:01       ` Dave Chinner
2008-06-27 10:32         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-27 22:48       ` Andreas Dilger
2008-06-28  4:21         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-07-02  6:26           ` Andreas Dilger
2008-07-02 14:28             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-02 21:20               ` Mark Fasheh
2008-07-03 14:45                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-26 14:04 ` Dave Kleikamp
2008-06-26 14:15   ` Eric Sandeen
2008-06-26 14:27     ` Dave Kleikamp
2008-07-02 23:48       ` jim owens
2008-07-03 11:17         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-03 12:11           ` jim owens
2008-07-03 22:51             ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-04  8:31               ` Andreas Dilger
2008-07-04 12:13               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-07  7:40                 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-07 16:53                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-07 22:51                     ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-07 21:16               ` jim owens
2008-07-08  3:01                 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-07 22:02               ` jim owens
2008-07-09  2:03                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-03 12:21           ` jim owens
2008-07-03 12:42             ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-04 20:32             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2008-07-05 10:49               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-05 21:44                 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2008-07-07 23:01               ` jim owens
2008-07-08  1:51                 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-08 13:02                   ` jim owens
2008-07-08 14:03                     ` jim owens
2008-07-08 14:39                       ` jim owens
2008-07-08 14:30                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09  1:50                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-26 17:01   ` Andreas Dilger
2008-07-03 14:37 ` jim owens
2008-07-03 15:17   ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2008-07-04  8:49     ` Andreas Dilger
2008-07-04 11:28       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-03 23:00   ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-04  9:00   ` Andreas Dilger
2008-07-07 23:28     ` jim owens
2008-07-09  1:53       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-09 15:01         ` jim owens
2008-07-08  0:06     ` jim owens

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