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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: miklos@szeredi.hu, hch@infradead.org, tytso@mit.edu,
	pavel@suse.cz, t-sato@yk.jp.nec.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com, dm-devel@redhat.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	axboe@kernel.dk, mtk.manpages@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:55:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080708235502.1c52a586@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1KGTTm-0006ke-Jh@pomaz-ex.szeredi.hu>

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:48:42 +0200
Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > nah he needs to do
> > 
> > make_snapshot ; backup-command ; unref_snapshot.
> > 
> > freezing isn't the right solution for the backup problem ;)
> 
> Confused, what's freezing _is_ for then?  Patch description says:
> 
>   Currently, ext3 in mainline Linux doesn't have the freeze feature
> which suspends write requests.  So, we cannot take a backup which
> keeps the filesystem's consistency with the storage device's features
>   (snapshot and replication) while it is mounted.

I tihnk the idea there is

freeze . do the snapshot op . unfreeze . make backup of snapshot

one can argue about the need of doing the first 3 steps via a userland
loop; it sure sounds like one needs to be really careful to not do any
writes to the fs from the app that does snapshots (and that includes
doing any syscalls in the kernel that allocate memory.. just because
that already could cause unrelated data to be written from inside the
app. Not fun.)


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  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-09  6:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-30 12:24 [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature Takashi Sato
2008-07-01  8:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-01 10:52   ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-07-03 12:11     ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-03 12:47       ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-07-03 22:11         ` [dm-devel] " Dave Chinner
2008-07-04 12:08           ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-03 14:45       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-07-07 11:07   ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:10     ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-08 23:20       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]       ` <20080708232031.GE18195@elf.ucw.cz>
2008-07-09  0:52         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  1:09           ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]           ` <20080709010922.GE9957@mit.edu>
2008-07-09  4:21             ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09  6:13             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:16               ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-09  6:22                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:41                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:48                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:55                       ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2008-07-09  7:08                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 20:48                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09  7:13                         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:09                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 11:49                             ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]                             ` <20080709114958.GV11558@disturbed>
2008-07-09 12:24                               ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                               ` <20080709122401.GK9957@mit.edu>
2008-07-09 12:59                                 ` Olaf Frączyk
2008-07-09 13:57                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:55                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:58                               ` jim owens
2008-07-09 14:13                                 ` jim owens
2008-07-13 12:06                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-13 17:15                                   ` jim owens
2008-07-14  6:36                                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-14 13:17                                       ` jim owens
2008-07-14 13:12                                 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-14 14:04                                   ` jim owens
2008-07-09 13:53                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:59                     ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  7:13                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  7:33                         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  8:11                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 11:15                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 20:44           ` Pavel Machek
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-09-08 11:53 Takashi Sato
2008-09-08 17:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-25 21:06   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-09-26  8:52     ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-26 10:58       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-09-29 11:11         ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-26 12:35       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-29 14:13       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-29 14:36         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-09-29 14:37           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-29 14:45             ` Eric Sandeen
2008-09-29 22:08               ` jim owens
2008-10-05 10:00               ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-09 10:12               ` Takashi Sato
2008-10-09 10:18                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-18 12:28 Takashi Sato
2008-08-21 20:20 ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-22 18:16   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-24 17:03   ` Oleg Nesterov
2008-08-29  9:39   ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-22  9:36 Takashi Sato
2008-06-24  7:00 Takashi Sato
2008-06-24 22:09 ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-27 11:33   ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-27 18:57     ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-29 23:13       ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-30  0:01         ` Andrew Morton

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