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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	hch@infradead.org, tytso@mit.edu, pavel@suse.cz,
	t-sato@yk.jp.nec.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com, dm-devel@redhat.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	axboe@kernel.dk, mtk.manpages@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:59:50 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080709065950.GR11558@disturbed> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080708234120.5072111f@infradead.org>

On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 11:41:20PM -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:22:56 +0200
> Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 08:13:21AM +0200, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> > > > This would mean that freeze and thaw will have to be done on the
> > > > same file descriptor, but this isn't unreasonable to expect, is
> > > > it?
> > > 
> > > It is certainly not the current use case, where you run one command
> > > to freeze the filesystem and another one to unfreeze it.
> > 
> > So instead of
> > 
> >   freeze_fs mountpoint
> >   backup-command
> >   unfreeze_fs mountpoint
> > 
> > the user would have do to
> > 
> >   run_freezed mountpoint backup-command
> > 
> > I find the second one nicer, regardless of any reliability issues.
> 
> nah he needs to do
> 
> make_snapshot ; backup-command ; unref_snapshot.
> 
> freezing isn't the right solution for the backup problem ;)

You're forgetting that to take a snapshot you generally need to
freeze the filesystem. ;) i.e:

freeze; make_snapshot; unfreeze
backup-command
unref_snapshot

Yes, dm_snapshot does the freeze/snapshot/unfreeze for you, but the
point is there is a freeze in the example you gave.

The argument against Miklos' version is that there may be multiple
commands to execute while the fs is frozen.

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-09  6:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-30 12:24 [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature Takashi Sato
2008-07-01  8:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-01 10:52   ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-07-03 12:11     ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-03 12:47       ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-07-03 22:11         ` [dm-devel] " Dave Chinner
2008-07-04 12:08           ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-03 14:45       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-07-07 11:07   ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:10     ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-08 23:20       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]       ` <20080708232031.GE18195@elf.ucw.cz>
2008-07-09  0:52         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  1:09           ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]           ` <20080709010922.GE9957@mit.edu>
2008-07-09  4:21             ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09  6:13             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:16               ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-09  6:22                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:41                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:48                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:55                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  7:08                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 20:48                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09  7:13                         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:09                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 11:49                             ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]                             ` <20080709114958.GV11558@disturbed>
2008-07-09 12:24                               ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                               ` <20080709122401.GK9957@mit.edu>
2008-07-09 12:59                                 ` Olaf Frączyk
2008-07-09 13:57                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:55                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:58                               ` jim owens
2008-07-09 14:13                                 ` jim owens
2008-07-13 12:06                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-13 17:15                                   ` jim owens
2008-07-14  6:36                                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-14 13:17                                       ` jim owens
2008-07-14 13:12                                 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-14 14:04                                   ` jim owens
2008-07-09 13:53                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:59                     ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2008-07-09  7:13                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  7:33                         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  8:11                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 11:15                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 20:44           ` Pavel Machek
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-09-08 11:53 Takashi Sato
2008-09-08 17:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-25 21:06   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-09-26  8:52     ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-26 10:58       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-09-29 11:11         ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-26 12:35       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-29 14:13       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-29 14:36         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-09-29 14:37           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-29 14:45             ` Eric Sandeen
2008-09-29 22:08               ` jim owens
2008-10-05 10:00               ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-09 10:12               ` Takashi Sato
2008-10-09 10:18                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-18 12:28 Takashi Sato
2008-08-21 20:20 ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-22 18:16   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-24 17:03   ` Oleg Nesterov
2008-08-29  9:39   ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-22  9:36 Takashi Sato
2008-06-24  7:00 Takashi Sato
2008-06-24 22:09 ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-27 11:33   ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-27 18:57     ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-29 23:13       ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-30  0:01         ` Andrew Morton

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