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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-btrfs <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Btrfs v0.16 released
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:19:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080809011905.GB9967@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080808215625.GC9038@one.firstfloor.org>

On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 11:56:25PM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > So, the mirroring turns a single large write into two large writes.
> > Definitely not free, but always a fixed cost.
> 
> Thanks for the explanation and the numbers. I see that's the advantage of 
> copy-on-write that you can actually always cluster the metadata together and 
> get always batched IO this way and then afford to do more of it. 
> 
> Still wondering what that will do to read seekiness.

In theory, if the elevator was smart enough, it could actually help
read seekiness; there are two copies of the metadata, and it shouldn't
matter which one is fetched.  So I could imagine a (hypothetical) read
request which says, "please give me the contents of block 4500 or
75000000 --- I don't care which, if the disk head is closer to one end
of the disk or another, use whichever one is most convenient".  Our
elevator algorithms are currently totally unable to deal with this
sort of request, and if SSD's are going to be coming on line as
quickly as some people are claiming, maybe it's not worth it to try to
implement that kind of thing, but at least in theory it's something
that could be done....

						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-09  1:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-05 19:01 Btrfs v0.16 released Chris Mason
2008-08-07  9:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-07 10:34   ` Chris Mason
2008-08-07 14:58     ` Chris Friesen
2008-08-07 15:07     ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-07  9:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-07 10:39   ` Chris Mason
     [not found]     ` <3da3b5b40808070703x4cf49471q6acc00351ba019d7@mail.gmail.com>
2008-08-07 14:06       ` Chris Mason
2008-08-07 18:02     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-08 18:48       ` Chris Mason
2008-08-08 21:56         ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-09  1:19           ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2008-08-09  1:23             ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]             ` <20080809012322.GF9038@one.firstfloor.org>
2008-08-09  1:43               ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-14 21:00         ` Chris Mason
2008-08-14 21:17           ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-15  1:25             ` Chris Mason
2008-08-15  1:39               ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-15 13:00                 ` Chris Mason
2008-08-16 19:26                   ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-08-18 13:52                     ` Chris Mason
2008-08-18 17:37                       ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-08-14 23:44           ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15  1:10             ` Chris Mason
2008-08-15 12:46               ` Chris Mason
2008-08-15 13:45                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15 17:52                   ` Chris Mason
2008-08-15 19:59                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15 20:37                       ` Chris Mason
2008-08-16 18:10                         ` Chris Mason
2008-08-16 19:27                           ` Theodore Tso

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