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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU>
To: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
Cc: Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cam.ac.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linuxfoundation.org, Mark Fasheh <mfasheh@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] vfs: vfs-level fiemap interface
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:41:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080913224121.GG26128@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080913214532.GJ10844@parisc-linux.org>

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 03:45:33PM -0600, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > Otherwise, the thou-shalt-not-anticipate-the-needs-of-any-future-
> > users-of-the-interface nazi's will strike again, and more months will
> > go by with absolutely no progress....
> 
> Ted, I appreciate you're feeling frustration, but there's no call for
> this kind of language.  Please moderate your tone.

Well, being polite and us trying to be constructive hasn't gotten us
anywhere, except getting (completely groundless) accusations that one
of the ext4 developers was trying to "sneak this in" for the benefit
of his company --- and months and months and months of time wasted.

I really am beginning to wish that I had ignored Cristoph's whinging
and just pushed an ext4-specific ioctl to Linus, instead of trying to
develop a filesystem-generic interface.  It's just an ioctl.  Let's
get this done, and move on.  If we need to allocate another ioctl, we
can do so.  Heck, we have five or six different stat interfaces...

I have no problem adding support so we can support filesystems with
compressed extents.  What I don't want to have happen is one patch
version where we add a feature, and then get another complaint from
someone else demanding that we remove that self-same feature from the
interface, repeating, ad infinitum.  We shouldn't tolerate this kind
of sh*t.

       	    	     	       	      		     - Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-13 22:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-13 18:47 YET ANOTHER resend of the fiemap patches Theodore Ts'o
2008-09-13 18:49 ` [PATCH 1/4] vfs: vfs-level fiemap interface Theodore Ts'o
2008-09-13 18:49   ` [PATCH 2/4] ocfs2: fiemap support Theodore Ts'o
2008-09-13 18:49     ` [PATCH 3/4] generic block based fiemap implementation Theodore Ts'o
2008-09-13 18:49       ` [PATCH 4/4] Hook ext4 to the vfs fiemap interface Theodore Ts'o
2008-09-13 21:17   ` [PATCH 1/4] vfs: vfs-level " Anton Altaparmakov
2008-09-13 21:29     ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-13 21:45       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-09-13 22:41         ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2008-09-13 21:59       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2008-09-14 13:51         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-14 13:48       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-14 17:58         ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-15 14:49           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-15 17:53             ` Mark Fasheh
2008-09-16  6:51               ` Andreas Dilger
2008-09-16 21:31               ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-20 16:47                 ` Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2008-09-29  1:07                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-29 21:13                     ` Mark Fasheh
2008-09-29 22:10                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-14 13:47   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-14 18:01     ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-14 18:08       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-14 19:58         ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-15 14:47           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-16  6:49             ` Andreas Dilger
2008-09-16 22:03               ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-17 14:18                 ` Jörn Engel
2008-09-17 15:02                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-17 15:25                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-19 14:05                     ` Chris Mason
2008-09-19 17:38                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-20  7:43                         ` Dave Chinner
2008-09-20 13:50                           ` Chris Mason
     [not found]                           ` <20080920135048.GA15698@think.oraclecorp.com>
2008-09-20 15:36                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-20 15:44                               ` Christoph Hellwig
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-10-09  1:48 PATCH [0/4] Updated**3 fiemap patches Theodore Ts'o
     [not found] ` <1223516913-17612-1-git-send-email-tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-09  1:48   ` [PATCH 1/4] vfs: vfs-level fiemap interface Theodore Ts'o
2008-10-07  1:06 PATCH [0/4] Updated**2 fiemap patches Theodore Ts'o
2008-10-07  1:06 ` [PATCH 1/4] vfs: vfs-level fiemap interface Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]   ` <1223341581-13802-2-git-send-email-tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-07  1:09     ` Theodore Tso
2008-10-03 21:59 [PATCH 0/4] Updated fiemap patches Theodore Ts'o
2008-10-03 21:59 ` [PATCH 1/4] vfs: vfs-level fiemap interface Theodore Ts'o
2008-10-04  2:12   ` Theodore Tso
2008-10-06 18:15     ` jim owens
2008-10-06 21:07       ` Theodore Tso
2008-10-07 10:12         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-10-07 10:56           ` Andreas Dilger
2008-10-07 12:52             ` Theodore Tso
2008-10-07 13:00           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-07 13:02             ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-10-07 13:24               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-07 13:28                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-10-07 15:45                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-10-07 16:01                     ` jim owens
     [not found]                       ` <48EB87DE.4090607-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-07 18:52                         ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                           ` <20081007185219.GD15929-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-07 20:31                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-10-07 13:48             ` Theodore Tso
2008-10-07 23:43               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-09 20:40                 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-10-06 13:07   ` steve
2008-06-25 22:18 Mark Fasheh

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