From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] fs: improved handling of page and buffer IO errors
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:31:13 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081022103112.GA27862@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mygxexev.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 06:16:24PM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de> writes:
>
> > IO error handling in the core mm/fs still doesn't seem perfect, but with
> > the recent round of patches and this one, it should be getting on the
> > right track.
> >
> > I kind of get the feeling some people would rather forget about all this
> > and brush it under the carpet. Hopefully I'm mistaken, but if anybody
> > disagrees with my assertion that error handling, and data integrity
> > semantics are first-class correctness issues, and therefore are more
> > important than all other non-correctness problems... speak now and let's
> > discuss that, please.
> >
> > Otherwise, unless anybody sees obvious problems with this, hopefully it
> > can go into -mm for some wider testing (I've tested it with a few filesystems
> > so far and no immediate problems)
>
> I think the first step to get these more robust in the future would be to
> have a standard regression test testing these paths. Otherwise it'll
> bit-rot sooner or later again.
The problem I've had with testing is that it's hard to trigger a specific
path for a given error, because write IO especially can be quite non
deterministic, and the filesystem or kernel may give up at various points.
I agree, but I just don't know exactly how they can be turned into
standard tests. Some filesystems like XFS seem to completely shut down
quite easily on IO errors. Others like ext2 can't really unwind from
a failure in a multi-block operation (eg. allocating a block to an
inode) if an error is detected, and it just gets ignored.
I am testing, but mainly just random failure injections and seeing if
things go bug or go undetected etc.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-22 10:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-21 11:21 [patch] fs: improved handling of page and buffer IO errors Nick Piggin
2008-10-21 12:52 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-21 12:59 ` steve
2008-10-21 13:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-21 13:38 ` steve
2008-10-21 14:32 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-21 15:09 ` steve
2008-10-21 16:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-22 12:51 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-22 14:08 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-21 14:35 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-21 14:59 ` steve
2008-10-21 16:20 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-21 16:25 ` steve
2008-10-21 16:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-21 16:29 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-10-22 12:48 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-22 13:45 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-10-22 14:02 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-22 14:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-10-22 14:45 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-23 13:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-10-22 22:23 ` Mark Fasheh
2008-10-23 9:59 ` steve
2008-10-23 10:21 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-23 10:52 ` steve
2008-10-23 11:07 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-22 13:16 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-22 20:09 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-21 16:16 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-21 16:30 ` steve
2008-10-22 10:31 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2008-10-22 18:46 ` Brad Boyer
2008-10-22 20:19 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-23 7:08 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-22 23:07 ` Dave Chinner
2008-10-23 7:07 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-23 9:44 ` steve
2008-10-23 11:15 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-23 22:48 ` Dave Chinner
2008-10-24 1:05 ` Nick Piggin
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20081022103112.GA27862@wotan.suse.de \
--to=npiggin@suse.de \
--cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=andi@firstfloor.org \
--cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).