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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Black_David@emc.com, Tom Coughlan <coughlan@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
Subject: Re: thin provisioned LUN support
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:19:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081107201913.GI29717@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq1iqqz9uqt.fsf@sermon.lab.mkp.net>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:55:06PM -0500, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
> 
> The current UNMAP proposal in SCSI doesn't have requirements either.
> 
> Array vendors, suddenly realizing all the work they have to do to
> support this, are now talking about imposing additional constraints
> (orthogonal to the UNMAP command set) because of limitations in their
> existing firmware architectures.

Let's be just a *little* bit fair here.  Suppose we wanted to
implement thin-provisioned disks using devicemapper and LVM; consider
that LVM uses a default PE size of 4M for some very good reasons.
Asking filesystems to be a little smarter about allocation policies so
that we allocate in existing 4M chunks before going onto the next, and
asking the block layer to pool trim requests to 4M chunks is not
totally unreasonable.

Array vendors use chunk sizes > than typical filesystem chunk sizes
for the same reason that LVM does.  So to say that this is due to
purely a "broken firmware architecture" is a little unfair.

Regards,

							- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-07 20:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-06 14:43 thin provisioned LUN support Ric Wheeler
2008-11-06 15:17 ` James Bottomley
2008-11-06 15:24   ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-06 16:00     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-06 16:40       ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-06 17:04         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-06 17:15     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 12:05     ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-07 12:14       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 12:17         ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-07 12:19         ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-07 14:26           ` thin provisioned LUN support & file system allocation policy Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 14:34             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 14:45               ` Jörn Engel
2008-11-07 14:43             ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 14:54               ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 15:26                 ` jim owens
2008-11-07 15:31                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-07 15:35                     ` jim owens
2008-11-07 15:46                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 15:51                         ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-07 16:06                           ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 15:56                         ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 15:36                     ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 15:48                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-07 15:36                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 15:45                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 16:07                       ` jim owens
2008-11-07 16:12                         ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 16:23                           ` jim owens
2008-11-07 16:02                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 14:55               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 15:20         ` thin provisioned LUN support James Bottomley
2008-11-09 23:08           ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-09 23:37             ` James Bottomley
2008-11-10  0:33               ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-10 14:31                 ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 15:49       ` Chris Mason
2008-11-07 16:00         ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-07 16:06           ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 16:11             ` Chris Mason
2008-11-07 16:18               ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 16:22                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 16:27                   ` James Bottomley
2008-11-07 16:28                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-07 17:22                 ` Chris Mason
2008-11-07 18:09                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 18:36                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 18:41                       ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found]                       ` <49148BDF.9050707@redhat.com>
2008-11-07 19:35                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 19:55                           ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-07 20:19                             ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2008-11-07 20:21                               ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                               ` <20081107202149.GJ15439@parisc-linux.org>
2008-11-07 20:26                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 20:48                                   ` Chris Mason
2008-11-07 21:04                                     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-07 21:13                                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 20:42                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-07 21:06                               ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-11-07 20:37                             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-10  2:44                               ` Black_David
2008-11-10  2:36                           ` Black_David
2008-11-07 19:44                       ` jim owens
2008-11-07 19:48                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-07 19:50                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-09 23:36           ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-10  3:40             ` Thin provisioning & arrays Black_David
2008-11-10  8:31               ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-10  9:59                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-10 13:30                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-10 13:36                     ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-10 17:05                   ` UNMAP is a hint Black_David
2008-11-10 17:30                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-10 17:56                       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-10 22:18                   ` Thin provisioning & arrays Dave Chinner
2008-11-11  1:23                     ` Black_David
2008-11-11  2:09                       ` Keith Owens
2008-11-11 13:59                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-11 14:55                           ` jim owens
2008-11-11 15:38                             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-11 15:59                               ` jim owens
2008-11-11 16:25                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-11 16:53                                   ` jim owens
2008-11-11 23:08                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-11 23:52                               ` jim owens
2008-11-11 22:49                       ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-06 15:27 ` thin provisioned LUN support jim owens
2008-11-06 15:57   ` jim owens
2008-11-06 16:21     ` James Bottomley
     [not found] ` <yq1d4h8nao5.fsf@sermon.lab.mkp.net>
2008-11-06 15:42   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-06 15:57     ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-06 22:36 ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-06 22:55   ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found]   ` <491375E9.7020707@redhat.com>
2008-11-06 23:06     ` James Bottomley
2008-11-06 23:10       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-11-06 23:26         ` James Bottomley
2008-11-06 23:32 ` thin provisioned LUN support - T10 activity Black_David
2008-11-07 11:59 ` thin provisioned LUN support Artem Bityutskiy
2008-11-10 20:39 ` Aggregating discard requests in the filesystem Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-10 20:44   ` Chris Mason
2008-11-11  0:12   ` Brad Boyer
2008-11-11 15:25     ` jim owens
2008-11-11 16:40 ` thin provisioned LUN support Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-11 17:07   ` jim owens
2008-11-11 17:33     ` Christoph Hellwig

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