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From: Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Dmitry Adamushko <dmitry.adamushko@gmail.com>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Naval Saini <navalnovel@gmail.com>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, naval.saini@nxp.com,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Subject: Re: O_DIRECT patch for processors with VIPT cache for mainline kernel (specifically arm in our case)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:17:14 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081120171713.GB27398@linux-mips.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081120152719.GS1617@parisc-linux.org>

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 08:27:19AM -0700, Matthew Wilcox wrote:

> I'm not quite sure why you need kmap_coherent().  If a page is mapped into
> userspace, you can find what address it's mapped to from
> page->mapping->i_mmap and page->index.  OTOH, that's potentially

Even if we know the userspace address of a page we do not necessarily have
a usable mapping for kernel purposes.  The userspace mapping might be r/o
when we need r/w or it might be in another process.  kmap_coherent takes
the job of creating a r/w mapping on a suitable kernel virtual address
that will avoid any aliases.

> page->mapping->i_mmap and page->index.  OTOH, that's potentially
> expensive since you need to grab the spinlock, and unless you have all
> user addresses coherent with each other (like parisc does), you need to
> figure out which process to be coherent with.

Having all userspace addresses of a page across all processes coherent with
each other is the only practicable solution in Linux; at least I don't think
how otherwise and within the currently kernel framework a platform could
sanely handle userspace-userspace aliases.  So we're talking about extending
this to cover userspace-kernelspace aliases.

The original reason for the introduction of kmap_coherent was avoiding
a cache alias in when a multi-threaded process forks.  The issue has been
debated on lkml in 2006 as part of my submission of a patchset under the
subject of "Fix COW D-cache aliasing on fork".  The description is somewhat
lengthy so I omit it here.

One of the ugly parts of kmap_coherent() is that it cannot be used safely
if the page has been marked as dirty by flush_dcache_page(); the callers
know about this and deal with it.

> I know James Bottomley did an experiment (and did an OLS presentation
> ...) on unmapping the entire page cache and greatly expanding the kmap
> area to do just this kind of thing.  I think he even got a speedup.

The speedup is no surprise.

  Ralf

  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-20 17:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <d8dd82df0811180606w503563ach8650ab07dcd0a35c@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <200811191740.23638.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
     [not found]   ` <20081119204315.GB17209@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>
2008-11-20  6:59     ` O_DIRECT patch for processors with VIPT cache for mainline kernel (specifically arm in our case) Nick Piggin
2008-11-20  9:19       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2008-11-20 10:55         ` Naval Saini
2008-11-21 17:10         ` Catalin Marinas
2008-11-20 12:28       ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-11-20 13:25         ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-20 13:55           ` Ralf Baechle
2008-11-20 15:27             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-20 17:17               ` Ralf Baechle [this message]
2008-11-20 17:40                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-20 19:30                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2008-11-20 16:30             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2008-11-20 13:59           ` Dmitry Adamushko

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