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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [rfc] fsync_range?
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:09:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090121120958.GC8609@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090121114122.GS24891@wotan.suse.de>

Nick Piggin wrote:
> Well, given that postgresql post that they need to sync multiple
> files, I think fsyncv is a nice way forward. It can be used to
> implement fsync_range too, which is slightly portable.

Also, fsyncv on multiple files could issue just the one disk cache
flush, if they're all to the same disk...

[about sync_file_range]
> If the queue fills up it has to block. It cannot schedule a thread
> to write out asynchronously, etc. Because userspace is directing
> how the implementation should work rather than the high level
> intention.

I agree that it's overly constraining, and pushes unnecessary tuning
work into userspace.

All these calls, btw, would be much more "optimisable" in the kernel
if they were AIOs.  Let the kernel decide things like how much to
batch, how much to parallelise, and still have the hint which comes
from AIO submission order (userspace threads doing synchronous I/O
loses this bit).

But that doesn't seem likely to happen because it's really quite hard.

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-21 12:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-20 16:47 [rfc] fsync_range? Nick Piggin
2009-01-20 18:31 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-20 21:25   ` Bryan Henderson
2009-01-20 22:42     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-21 19:43       ` Bryan Henderson
2009-01-21 21:08         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-21 22:44           ` Bryan Henderson
2009-01-21 23:31             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-21  1:36     ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-21 19:58       ` Bryan Henderson
2009-01-21 20:53         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-21 22:14           ` Bryan Henderson
2009-01-21 22:30             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-22  1:52               ` Bryan Henderson
2009-01-22  3:41                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-21  1:29   ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-21  3:15     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-21  3:48       ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-21  5:24         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-21  6:16           ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-21 11:18             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-21 11:41               ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-21 12:09                 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2009-01-21  4:16       ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-21  4:59         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-21  6:23           ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-21 12:02             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-21 12:13             ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-21 12:37               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-21 14:12                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-21 14:35                   ` Chris Mason
2009-01-21 15:58                     ` Eric Sandeen
2009-01-21 20:41                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-21 21:23                       ` jim owens
2009-01-21 21:59                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-21 23:08                           ` btrfs O_DIRECT was " jim owens
2009-01-22  0:06                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-22 13:50                               ` jim owens
2009-01-22 21:18                   ` Florian Weimer
2009-01-22 21:23                     ` Florian Weimer
2009-01-21  3:25     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-21  3:52       ` Nick Piggin

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