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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Squashfs pull request for 2.6.29
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:41:45 +0100
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* Kyle McMartin <kyle@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 03:04:57PM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
> > > Why does it need to be upstream for someone to cut their teeth helping
> > > out?
> > Because people don't know where to look if it is out-of-the tree.
> > Seriously, if it can't be easily found, it's not fixed up.  Proof of
> > that is the hundreds of out-of-tree drivers that I have found over the
> > past months.
> 
> What about the hundreds of utterly crap drivers we have *right now* in 
> the kernel? Just because something is distributed with the kernel does 
> *not* mean it will get cleaned up. There's hundreds of counterexamples 
> to that. If you think moving some of them to drivers/staging to increase 
> the "visibility" to people looking for low hanging fruit, I can generate 
> a list...

that is true and it does not contradict the purpose and intention of 
drivers/staging/ though - it extends it.

We could create drivers/staging/in/ and drivers/staging/out/.

So instead of marking drivers CONFIG_BROKEN we could move them to 
drivers/staging/out/ - and if they dont get 'saved' within a kernel 
release they will be zapped for good. That is more gradual than a sudden 
'remove a driver completely' action.

	Ingo