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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Fr?d?ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Alessio Igor Bogani <abogani@texware.it>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LFSDEV <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] vfs: umount_begin BKL pushdown v2
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:07:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090424220703.GA6403@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090424175025.GA30091@infradead.org>


* Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:16:18AM +0200, Fr?d?ric Weisbecker wrote:
> > I disagree with you. The kill-the-BKL tree does not only aggregate patches
> > to turn the BKL into more traditional locks. The Bkl has been
> > converted to a common mutex in
> > this tree, making it losing its common horrid properties:
> > 
> > - release/reacquire on schedule
> > - not preemptable
> > - can be reacquired recursively by a same task
> > 
> > Such a basis is very useful because we can easily find these places
> > which won't support a usual lock conversion without reworking the
> > locking scheme.
> > This is a necessary preliminary for the Bkl removal.
> > All the places which have been designed very tightly with Bkl
> > properties are rapidly detected
> > with lockdep in this tree and reworked, still using lockdep, code
> > reviewing and the help of
> > this Bkl-to-mutex conversion.
> > 
> > The work done with this tree can be merged inside and also on the
> > matching subsytem tree for
> > each patchset. That's a very sane workflow IMHO.
> 
> Having a working tree for debugging stuff is fine, but the point 
> is that it should never be pulled into mainline and probably 
> frequently reabsed to avoid cruft.  In that case there's really no 
> point in creating branches to share pieces of tree history, just 
> apply the patch locally if you think you want it and merge or 
> rebase once mainline gets the patch.
> 
> Al frequently rebases the vfs tree, btw [...]

Btw., doing that can (and will) destroy Git history and is pretty 
explicitly discouraged.

> [...] - so even if it was a separate branch now there's a fair 
> chance it would end up in mainline with a different commit id.

So did i get you right, you are advocating people to rebase their 
trees because the VFS tree is rebased often? That's pretty 
backwards.

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-24 22:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-23 19:12 [PATCH 0/5 -tip] umount_begin BKL pushdown Alessio Igor Bogani
2009-04-23 19:12 ` [PATCH 1/5 -tip] 9p: " Alessio Igor Bogani
2009-04-23 19:12   ` [PATCH 2/5 -tip] cifs: " Alessio Igor Bogani
2009-04-23 19:12     ` [PATCH 3/5 -tip] fuse: " Alessio Igor Bogani
2009-04-23 19:12       ` [PATCH 4/5 -tip] nfs: " Alessio Igor Bogani
2009-04-23 19:12         ` [PATCH 5/5 -tip] vfs: Don-t call umount_begin with BKL held Alessio Igor Bogani
2009-04-23 19:15     ` [PATCH 2/5 -tip] cifs: umount_begin BKL pushdown Al Viro
2009-04-23 19:19     ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-04-24  7:06       ` [PATCH 0/1] vfs: umount_begin BKL pushdown v2 Alessio Igor Bogani
2009-04-24  7:06         ` [PATCH 1/1] " Alessio Igor Bogani
2009-04-24  7:13           ` Al Viro
2009-04-24  7:15             ` Al Viro
2009-04-24  8:48               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-24  7:18             ` Al Viro
2009-04-24  7:41               ` Alessio Igor Bogani
2009-04-24  8:06               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-24  8:50                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-24  9:16                   ` Frédéric Weisbecker
2009-04-24 17:50                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-24 18:55                       ` Al Viro
2009-04-24 19:02                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-24 20:43                           ` Al Viro
2009-04-24 22:07                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-04-24 22:49                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-24 13:58                 ` Al Viro
2009-04-24 22:19                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-25  7:16                     ` Al Viro
2009-04-23 19:18 ` [PATCH 0/5 -tip] umount_begin BKL pushdown Al Viro
2009-04-23 21:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-24  1:57     ` Stephen Rothwell
2009-04-24 14:31       ` Jonathan Corbet

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