From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: get_fs_excl/put_fs_excl/has_fs_excl
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:29:20 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090427162920.GA6781@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090427144742.GC4885@shareable.org>
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:47:42PM +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Personally, I'm interested in the following:
>
> - A process with RT I/O priority and RT CPU priority is reading
> a series of files from disk. It should be very reliable at this.
>
> - Other normal I/O priority and normal CPU priority processes are
> reading and writing the disk.
>
> I would like the first process to have a guaranteed minimum I/O
> performance: it should continuously make progress, even when it needs
> to read some file metadata which overlaps a page affected by the other
> processes.
That's pretty easy. The much harder and much more interesting problem
is if the process with RT I/O and CPU priority is *writing* a series
of files to disk, and not just reading from disk.
> I don't mind all the interference from disk head seeks and
> so on, but I would like the I/O that the first process depends on to
> have RT I/O priority - including when it's waiting on I/O initiated by
> another process and the normal I/O priority queue is full.
>
> So, I'm not exactly sure, but I think what I need for that is:
>
> - I/O priority boosting (re-queuing in the elevator) to fix the
> inversion when waiting on I/O which was previously queued with
> normal I/O priority, and
>
> - Task priority boosting when waiting on a filesystem resource
> which is held by a normal priority task.
For the latter, I can't think of a filesystem where we would block a
read operation for long time just because someone was holding some
kind of filesytem-wide lock. A spinlock, maybe, but the only time it
makes sense to worry about boosting an I/O priority is if we're going
to be blocing a filesystem for milliseconds or more, and not just a
few tens of microseconds.
All of the latency problems people have been complaining about, such
as the infamous firefox fsync() problem, all involved write
operations, and specifically fsync(), and maybe a heavy read-workload
interfered with a write, but I can't think of a situation where a
real-time read operation would be disrupted by normal priority reads
and writes.
For the former, where a real-time read request gets blocked because
the read request for that block had already been submitted --- at a
lower priority --- that's something that should be solvable purely in
core block layer and in the I/O scheduler layer, I would expect.
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-04-27 16:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-23 19:18 get_fs_excl/put_fs_excl/has_fs_excl Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-23 19:21 ` get_fs_excl/put_fs_excl/has_fs_excl Jens Axboe
2009-04-23 21:23 ` get_fs_excl/put_fs_excl/has_fs_excl Jamie Lokier
2009-04-24 5:58 ` get_fs_excl/put_fs_excl/has_fs_excl Jens Axboe
2009-04-24 18:40 ` get_fs_excl/put_fs_excl/has_fs_excl Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-25 15:16 ` get_fs_excl/put_fs_excl/has_fs_excl Theodore Tso
2009-04-27 9:53 ` get_fs_excl/put_fs_excl/has_fs_excl Jens Axboe
2009-04-27 11:33 ` get_fs_excl/put_fs_excl/has_fs_excl Theodore Tso
2009-04-27 14:47 ` get_fs_excl/put_fs_excl/has_fs_excl Jamie Lokier
2009-04-27 16:29 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2009-04-27 17:03 ` get_fs_excl/put_fs_excl/has_fs_excl Jamie Lokier
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