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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
	Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Is TRIM/DISCARD going to be a performance problem?
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:49:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090511084941.GN4694@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090511084121.GB29082@mit.edu>

On Mon, May 11 2009, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 10:12:16AM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > 
> > I largely agree with this. I think that trims should be queued and
> > postponed until the drive is largely idle. I don't want to put this IO
> > tracking in the block layer though, it's going to slow down our iops
> > rates for writes. Providing the functionality in the block layer does
> > make sense though, since it sits between that and the fs anyway. So just
> > not part of the generic IO path, but a set of helpers on the side.
> 
> Yes, I agree.  However, in that case, we need two things from the
> block I/O path.  (A) The discard management layer needs a way of
> knowing that the block device has become idle, and (B) ideally there

We don't have to inform of such a condition, the block layer can check
for existing pending trims and kick those off at an appropriate time.

> should be a more efficient method for sending trim requests to the I/O
> submission path.  If we batch the results, when we *do* send the
> discard requests, we may be sending several hundred discards, and it
> would be useful if we could pass into the I/O submission path a linked
> list of regions, so the queue can be drained *once*, and then a whole
> series of discards can be sent to the device all at once.
> 
> Does that make sense to you?

Agree, we definitely only want to do the queue quiesce once for passing
down a series of trims. With the delayed trim queuing, that isn't very
difficult.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-11  8:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-09 21:14 Is TRIM/DISCARD going to be a performance problem? Theodore Ts'o
2009-05-10 16:53 ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-11  8:37   ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-11 10:06     ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-11 10:18       ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-11 15:43         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-11 11:27       ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-11 12:09         ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-11 13:10           ` Greg Freemyer
2009-05-11 13:39             ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-05-11 14:27             ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-11 14:29               ` Ric Wheeler
2009-05-11 14:50                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-11 14:58                   ` Ric Wheeler
2009-05-11 15:00                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-05-11 18:47                     ` Greg Freemyer
2009-05-11 19:22                       ` Andreas Dilger
2009-05-11 23:38                       ` Neil Brown
2009-05-12 13:28                         ` Greg Freemyer
2009-05-11 13:15           ` Ric Wheeler
2010-04-24 17:11           ` Phillip Susi
2009-05-11 12:43         ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-11 12:48           ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]             ` <f3177b9e0905111433i40e41c90r920d7ccf36442ffd@mail.gmail.com>
2009-05-11 22:03               ` Chris Worley
2009-05-11 16:30       ` Chris Worley
2009-05-11  8:12 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-11  8:41   ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-11  8:49     ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2009-05-11 17:18     ` Chris Mason
2009-05-11 18:43       ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-05-11 18:53         ` Chris Mason
2009-05-11 19:19           ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-29 10:52         ` Florian Weimer

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