From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@logfs.org>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Is TRIM/DISCARD going to be a performance problem?
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:43:25 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090511124325.GC6585@logfs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090511112729.GD29082@mit.edu>
On Mon, 11 May 2009 07:27:29 -0400, Theodore Tso wrote:
>
> I can't fix hardware braindamage. Given that the standard
> specifications is terminally broken, (and we can't really fix it
> without getting the drive manufacturers to rip out and replace NCQ
> with something sane --- good luck with that) the complexity is pretty
> much unaviodable. Still think my proposal is ludicrous?
Given the hardware braindamage it is relatively sane. As always, it
would be much better to fix the problem and not add workarounds, but we
seem to lack the gods favor this time around.
Can't anyone explain to the SATA folks that a discard is much closer to
a write than to a secure erase or some other rare and slow command?
Jörn
--
Mundie uses a textbook tactic of manipulation: start with some
reasonable talk, and lead the audience to an unreasonable conclusion.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-11 12:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-09 21:14 Is TRIM/DISCARD going to be a performance problem? Theodore Ts'o
2009-05-10 16:53 ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-11 8:37 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-11 10:06 ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-11 10:18 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-11 15:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-11 11:27 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-11 12:09 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-11 13:10 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-05-11 13:39 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-05-11 14:27 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-11 14:29 ` Ric Wheeler
2009-05-11 14:50 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-11 14:58 ` Ric Wheeler
2009-05-11 15:00 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-05-11 18:47 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-05-11 19:22 ` Andreas Dilger
2009-05-11 23:38 ` Neil Brown
2009-05-12 13:28 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-05-11 13:15 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-04-24 17:11 ` Phillip Susi
2009-05-11 12:43 ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2009-05-11 12:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
[not found] ` <f3177b9e0905111433i40e41c90r920d7ccf36442ffd@mail.gmail.com>
2009-05-11 22:03 ` Chris Worley
2009-05-11 16:30 ` Chris Worley
2009-05-11 8:12 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-11 8:41 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-11 8:49 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-11 17:18 ` Chris Mason
2009-05-11 18:43 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-05-11 18:53 ` Chris Mason
2009-05-11 19:19 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-29 10:52 ` Florian Weimer
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