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From: Joel Becker <Joel.Becker@oracle.com>
To: Sage Weil <sage@newdream.net>
Cc: jim owens <jowens@hp.com>,
	jmorris@namei.org, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, mtk.manpages@gmail.com,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] The reflink(2) system call v4.
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:28:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090512172802.GD6896@mail.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905120748310.18625@cobra.newdream.net>

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 08:04:21AM -0700, Sage Weil wrote:
> To me, a simple 'cp' type operation (assuming it gets wired up the way it 
> could) seems like at least as common a use case than a 'snapshot' 
> operation.  I know that's not what your main goal here, but I don't 
> understand the resistance to two syscalls.  Mixing the two might give you 
> the right answer in many cases, but certainly not all, and it makes for 
> confusing application interface semantics that we won't be able to change 
> down the line.

	I'm not against two syscalls, but I'm not writing copyfile()
here, just reflink().  Someone clearly could write copyfile() later and
link into some of the same underlying mechanisms.
	It's important to distinguish the semantics, though, and that's
why I'm doing one thing.  For example, reflink() is a snapshot (a
"reference-counted link") and has behaviors based on that.  libc should
never fake it, because the callers expect those behaviors.  Whereas
copyfile() would be fakeable in libc with a read/write cycle on
filesystems that don't support it.  Things like that.
	Heck, I think you could use reflink() to create a copyfile() in
libc that uses no additional syscall.  But you couldn't use copyfile()
to create reflink().

Joel

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-12 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-03  6:15 [RFC] The reflink(2) system call Joel Becker
2009-05-03  6:15 ` [PATCH 1/3] fs: Document the " Joel Becker
2009-05-03  8:01   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-04  2:46     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04  6:36       ` Michael Kerrisk
2009-05-04  7:12         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-03 13:08   ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-03 23:08     ` Al Viro
2009-05-04  2:49     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-03 23:45   ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-04  1:44     ` Tao Ma
2009-05-04 18:25       ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04 21:18         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-04 22:23           ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-05  6:55             ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05  1:07   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05  7:16     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05  8:09       ` Andreas Dilger
2009-05-05 16:56         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 21:24           ` Andreas Dilger
2009-05-05 21:32             ` Joel Becker
2009-05-06  7:15               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2009-05-06 14:24                 ` jim owens
2009-05-06 14:30                   ` jim owens
2009-05-06 17:50                     ` jim owens
2009-05-12 19:20                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 19:30                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 19:11                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 19:37                     ` jim owens
2009-05-12 20:11                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 13:01       ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-05 13:19         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 13:39           ` Chris Mason
2009-05-05 15:36             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 15:41               ` Chris Mason
2009-05-05 16:03                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 16:18                   ` Chris Mason
2009-05-05 20:48                   ` jim owens
2009-05-05 21:57                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:04                       ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 22:11                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:24                           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 23:14                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:12                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:21                           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 22:32                             ` James Morris
2009-05-05 22:39                               ` Joel Becker
2009-05-12 19:40                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:28                         ` jim owens
2009-05-05 23:12                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 16:46               ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-05 16:54                 ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-05 22:03                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 21:44                 ` copyfile semantics Andreas Dilger
2009-05-05 21:48                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-05-05 22:25                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-05 22:06                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-06  5:57                   ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-05 14:21           ` [PATCH 1/3] fs: Document the reflink(2) system call Theodore Tso
2009-05-05 15:32             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:49             ` James Morris
2009-05-05 17:05           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 17:00         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 17:29           ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-05 22:36             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:30           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:37             ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 23:08             ` jim owens
2009-05-05 13:01       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 17:09         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-03  6:15 ` [PATCH 2/3] fs: Add vfs_reflink() and the ->reflink() inode operation Joel Becker
2009-05-03  8:03   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-04  2:51     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-03  6:15 ` [PATCH 3/3] fs: Add the reflink(2) system call Joel Becker
2009-05-03  6:27   ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-05-03  6:39     ` Al Viro
2009-05-03  7:48       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-03 11:16         ` Al Viro
2009-05-04  2:53       ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04  2:53     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-03  8:04   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-07 22:15 ` [RFC] The reflink(2) system call v2 Joel Becker
2009-05-08  1:39   ` James Morris
2009-05-08  1:49     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-08 13:01       ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-05-08  2:59   ` jim owens
2009-05-08  3:10     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-08 11:53       ` jim owens
2009-05-08 12:16       ` jim owens
2009-05-08 14:11         ` jim owens
2009-05-11 20:40       ` [RFC] The reflink(2) system call v4 Joel Becker
2009-05-11 22:27         ` James Morris
2009-05-11 22:34           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-12  1:12             ` James Morris
2009-05-12 12:18               ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-12 17:22                 ` Joel Becker
2009-05-12 17:32                   ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-12 18:03                     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-12 18:04                       ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-12 18:28                         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-12 18:37                           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-14 18:06                         ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-14 18:25                           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-14 23:25                             ` James Morris
2009-05-15 11:54                               ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-15 13:35                                 ` James Morris
2009-05-15 15:44                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-13  1:47                       ` Casey Schaufler
2009-05-13 16:43                         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-13 17:23                           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-13 18:27                             ` Joel Becker
2009-05-12 12:01           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-11 23:11         ` jim owens
2009-05-11 23:42           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-12 11:31         ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-12 13:12           ` jim owens
2009-05-12 20:24             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-14 18:43             ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-12 15:04         ` Sage Weil
2009-05-12 15:23           ` jim owens
2009-05-12 16:16             ` Sage Weil
2009-05-12 17:45               ` jim owens
2009-05-12 20:29                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 17:28           ` Joel Becker [this message]
2009-05-13  4:30             ` Sage Weil
2009-05-14  3:57         ` Andy Lutomirski
2009-05-14 18:12           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-14 22:00             ` Joel Becker
2009-05-15  1:20               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-15 12:01               ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-15 15:22                 ` Joel Becker
2009-05-15 15:55                   ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-15 16:42                     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-15 17:01                       ` Shaya Potter
2009-05-15 20:53                       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-18  9:17                         ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-18 13:02                         ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-18 14:33                           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-18 17:15                             ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-18 18:26                           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-19 16:32                             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Sage Weil
2009-05-19 19:33                         ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-05-19 20:15                           ` Jamie Lokier
     [not found]                         ` <20090519132057.419b9de0@bike.lwn.net>
     [not found]                           ` <20090519193244.GB25521@mail.oracle.com>
2009-05-19 19:41                             ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-05-28  0:24         ` [RFC] The reflink(2) system call v5 Joel Becker
2009-09-14 22:24         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-11 20:49     ` [RFC] The reflink(2) system call v2 Joel Becker
2009-05-11 22:49       ` jim owens
2009-05-11 23:46         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-12  0:54           ` Chris Mason
2009-05-12 20:36           ` Jamie Lokier

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