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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	tytso@mit.edu, chris.mason@oracle.com, david@fromorbit.com,
	hch@infradead.org, jack@suse.cz, yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com,
	richard@rsk.demon.co.uk, damien.wyart@free.fr
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/11] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v9
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:34:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090604223449.GA13780@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090604201012.GD11363@kernel.dk>

On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 10:10:12PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 04 2009, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 04 2009, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 12:07:26PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:20:44 +0200 Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I've just tested it on UP in a single disk.
> > > > 
> > > > I must say, I'm stunned at the amount of testing which people are
> > > > performing on this patchset.  Normally when someone sends out a
> > > > patchset it just sort of lands with a dull thud.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not sure what Jens did right to make all this happen, but thanks!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I don't know how he did either. I was reading theses patches and *something*
> > > pushed me to my testbox, and then I tested...
> > > 
> > > Jens, how do you do that?
> > 
> > Heh, not sure :-)
> > 
> > But indeed, thanks for the testing. It looks quite interesting. I'm
> > guessing it probably has to do with who ends up doing the balancing and
> > that the flusher threads block, it may change the picture a bit. So it
> > may just be that it'll require a few vm tweaks. I'll definitely look
> > into it and try and reproduce your results.
> > 
> > Did you run it a 2nd time on each drive and check if the results were
> > (approximately) consistent on the two drives?
> 
> each partition... What IO scheduler did you use on hda?


CFQ.

 
> The main difference with this test case is that before we had two super
> blocks, each with lists of dirty inodes. pdflush would attack those. Now
> we have both the inodes from the two supers on a single set of lists on
> the bdi. So either we have some ordering issue there (which is causing
> the unfairness), or something else is.


Yeah.
But although these flushers are per-bdi, with a single list (well, three)
of dirty inodes, it looks like the writeback is still performed per
superblock, I mean the bdi work gives the concerned superblock
and the bdi list is iterated in generic_sync_wb_inodes() which
only processes the inodes for the given superblock. So there is
a bit of a per superblock serialization there and....


(Note, the above is just written for myself in the secret hope I could
understand better these patches by writing my brainstorming...)


> So perhaps you can try with noop on hda to see if that changes the
> picture?



The result with noop is even more impressive.

See: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/frederic/dbench-noop.pdf

Also a comparison, noop with pdflush against noop with bdi writeback:

http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/frederic/dbench-noop-cmp.pdf


Frederic.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-04 22:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-28 11:46 [PATCH 0/11] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v9 Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 11:46 ` [PATCH 01/11] ntfs: remove old debug check for dirty data in ntfs_put_super() Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 11:46 ` [PATCH 02/11] btrfs: properly register fs backing device Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 11:46 ` [PATCH 03/11] writeback: move dirty inodes from super_block to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 11:46 ` [PATCH 04/11] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 14:13   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-05-28 22:28     ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 11:46 ` [PATCH 05/11] writeback: get rid of pdflush completely Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 11:46 ` [PATCH 06/11] writeback: separate the flushing state/task from the bdi Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 11:46 ` [PATCH 07/11] writeback: support > 1 flusher thread per bdi Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 11:46 ` [PATCH 08/11] writeback: allow sleepy exit of default writeback task Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 11:46 ` [PATCH 09/11] writeback: add some debug inode list counters to bdi stats Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 11:46 ` [PATCH 10/11] writeback: add name to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 11:46 ` [PATCH 11/11] writeback: check for registered bdi in flusher add and inode dirty Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 13:56 ` [PATCH 0/11] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v9 Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 22:28   ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 14:17 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-05-28 14:19   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-05-28 20:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 22:27       ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-29 15:37       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-05-29 15:50         ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-29 16:02           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-05-29 17:07             ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-03  7:39               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-06-03  7:44                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-03  7:46                   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-06-03  7:50                     ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-03  7:54                       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-06-03  7:59                   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-06-03  8:07                     ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 14:41 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-29 16:07 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-05-29 16:20   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-05-29 17:09     ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-03  8:11       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-05-29 17:08   ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-03 11:12 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-06-03 11:42   ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-04 15:20 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-06-04 19:07   ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-04 19:13     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-06-04 19:50       ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-04 20:10         ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-04 22:34           ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2009-06-05 19:15             ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-05 21:14               ` Jan Kara
2009-06-06  0:18                 ` Chris Mason
2009-06-06  0:23                   ` Jan Kara
2009-06-06  1:06                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-06-08  9:23                       ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-08 12:23                         ` Jan Kara
2009-06-08 12:28                           ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-08 13:01                             ` Jan Kara
2009-06-09 18:39                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-06-06  1:00                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-06-06  0:35               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-06-04 21:37         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-06-05  1:14   ` Zhang, Yanmin
2009-06-05 19:16     ` Jens Axboe

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