From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Ray Strode <rstrode@redhat.com>,
elb@psg.com
Subject: Re: RFC: O_PONIES semantics (well O_REWRITE)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:53:09 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090611055309.GR9002@webber.adilger.int> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A3057DD.1050703@redhat.com>
On Jun 10, 2009 21:03 -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> The semantics for O_REWRITE would be:
>
> 1) When opening a file O_REWRITE, the file handle points at
> a freshly allocated, empty file. The original file is
> still available to programs that open the file without
> O_REWRITE.
>
> 2) O_REWRITE can only be used in conjunction with O_WRONLY,
> because the file descriptor is not associated with the
> original file (which has data), but with an empty inode.
>
> 3) The code that implements O_REWRITE (kernel? glibc?)
> makes sure that:
> - the new file is on the same filesystem as the original file
> - the new file is not linked (so it is automatically freed
> after a process or system crash)
> - the new file's ownership, permissions and extended attributes
> match that of the original file
>
> 4) The application that opens a file O_REWRITE is required
> to rewrite the entire file.
This is all essentially open(O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_WRONLY)
> 5) On close(), the code that implements O_REWRITE makes sure that
> the file is atomically renamed, so that if a system crash happens,
> the user will see either the old or the new file contents, but
> never an empty file.
This would be possible if the kernel set the i_size=0, but didn't
send the filesystem the truncate until the file was closed and
being flushed.
> 6) After close(), processes that open the file will get the new
> content. Processes that previously opened the file will hold
> on to the old inode and get old contents.
What is the benefit of (6)? Of all these semantics this is the
one that would cause the most confusion I think.
> Here are my questions:
>
> - Are these semantics useful for programs that want to replace
> config (or other) files with new content?
>
> - Are these semantics sane?
>
> - What would be the best place to implement these semantics?
The main question is - would any applications use O_REWRITE in
the first place, or would it just make sense to have a helper
function in glibc like e.g. mktemp that handles the "atomic
update of config file" properly in the first place.
Cheers, Andreas
--
Andreas Dilger
Sr. Staff Engineer, Lustre Group
Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-06-11 5:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-06-11 1:03 RFC: O_PONIES semantics (well O_REWRITE) Rik van Riel
2009-06-11 5:53 ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2009-06-11 14:06 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-11 14:23 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-06-11 14:32 ` Ray Strode
2009-06-17 13:52 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-11 9:51 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-06-12 2:07 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-12 2:20 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-06-12 17:06 ` Ray Strode
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